The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Eaglelord17]

There is 3 main firearms rights groups in Canada.

CCFR, NFA, and the CSSA. All have pros, also have cons (NFA for example had a lot of drama for a few years, not sure if that was resolved or not).

Donating to a American group equals absolutely no return for Canadians. Their second amendment does not have positive spill over to here, if anything it actively harms Canadians as it provides the ammunition for our antigun lobbies to use against us even though their laws are completely different.

If the Americans actually enforced their straw buying laws, and prevented the gun smuggling which is so prevalent we would have next to no gun crime here. Which in turn would result in nothing for our anti-gun groups to push.

Do what you like with your money but if your goal is to support Canadian firearm ownership those three groups (my preferred being CCFR) with provide the most bang for your buck.

 

[Lumber]

Thank you for making me aware of this group, Fish. However, I feel that I should focus my money like a laser beam and concentrate it on where it will return the best result on my money. I really don't think there are enough Canadians who care about gun rights for there to be any meaningful pro-gun movements here. In other words, I think we are too far gone. I think it's best to send my money south of the border, to help patriotic Americans secure their right. If they have their 2A, the "spill-over" effect will positively affect us.

Why would you use your hard earned Canadian money to help Americans "secure their rights" when 1. Americans already have greater and more free access to guns then we could ever dream of, 2. There are Canadian gun advocacy groups in Canada, and if you don't think the gun advocacy groups in Canada "worth it", then 3. There are a ton of non gun-related charitable organizations in Canada that could absolutely use your money and it would definitely have immediate and worthwhile effect.

Are you a billionaire? No? Then believing that ANY amount of money YOU could possibly donate would have a "laser beam" like effect on gun rights is, quit frankly, naive, and the fact you would rather donate your money to the NRA (for example) than Feed Nova Scotia (for example) is quite frankly, disappointing.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Outstanding Manitoba!

 

[Colin Parkinson]

There is 3 main firearms rights groups in Canada.

CCFR, NFA, and the CSSA. All have pros, also have cons (NFA for example had a lot of drama for a few years, not sure if that was resolved or not).

Donating to a American group equals absolutely no return for Canadians. Their second amendment does not have positive spill over to here, if anything it actively harms Canadians as it provides the ammunition for our antigun lobbies to use against us even though their laws are completely different.

If the Americans actually enforced their straw buying laws, and prevented the gun smuggling which is so prevalent we would have next to no gun crime here. Which in turn would result in nothing for our anti-gun groups to push.

Do what you like with your money but if your goal is to support Canadian firearm ownership those three groups (my preferred being CCFR) with provide the most bang for your buck.

and the NRA are prohibited by their Charter in interfering in another country politics. I have supported all 3 of our main groups and met the people involved. They are all passionate about protecting our rights, they just disagree on the best course of action. I like having 3 different groups as it spread the work and eye and ears around. Government process even if it's not used maliciously is time consuming and drains even the most committed.

 

[Halifax Tar]

and the NRA are prohibited by their Charter in interfering in another country politics. I have supported all 3 of our main groups and met the people involved. They are all passionate about protecting our rights, they just disagree on the best course of action. I like having 3 different groups as it spread the work and eye and ears around. Government process even if it's not used maliciously is time consuming and drains even the most committed.

I'm a member of the CCFR, and I keep looking at the DCRA.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Government of Canada to hold a technical briefing and press conference on the Assault-Style Firearms Compensation Program - Canada.ca

Members of the media are invited to join the Honourable Gary Anandasangaree, Minister of Public Safety, the Honourable Nathalie Provost, Secretary of State (Nature), and Ian Lafrenière, Québec Minister of Public Security; Minister Responsible for Relations with the First Nations and the Inuit...

www.canada.ca

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Government of Canada to hold a technical briefing and press conference on the Assault-Style Firearms Compensation Program - Canada.ca

Members of the media are invited to join the Honourable Gary Anandasangaree, Minister of Public Safety, the Honourable Nathalie Provost, Secretary of State (Nature), and Ian Lafrenière, Québec Minister of Public Security; Minister Responsible for Relations with the First Nations and the Inuit...

www.canada.ca

I can't see them backing off on anything. I can see them putting their foot down and telling provinces they have no business interfering. That the Cape Breton trial was a huge success and they will be ready to receive shortly. Maybe more money set aside for owners, though there isn’t enough to compensate everyone, for everything, at fair market value. Doesn’t matter though if our dollar is racing to catch up with the Venezuelan Bolivar (currently at 1.00 VES = 0.00294023 USD)

I am distrustful and jaded of anything stated by liberals, there's always unspoken, hidden agendas that will turn the initial proposal into a cauldron of smelly, floating feces. All under the direction of Carney, who is a consummate liar and will say anything to force us under the heel of WEF's New World Order. (Go and listen to the nauseating, crack pipe speeches by Schwab and the rest. They are all in now)

Likely just more utter and absolute bullshit as the liberal rats shuffle the deck chairs.

 

[Stoker]

Full steam ahead it seems. 2 months to declare with everything disposed of by the 31st of Oct, pretty ambitious. Failure to comply they will revoke your PAL and you have to turn in everything along with criminal charges.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Private gun ownership doesn't fit in well with the new world order.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Runkle has a good video on this.

 

[Fabius]

Symbols are important and are chosen deliberately for government announcements etc.

Note that the only two flags used during this announcement were the Cdn flag and the Quebec flag. No other provincial flags were displayed despite this being billed as a national program vs a Quebec program.

It’s also the Quebec government that apparently will be responsible for the destruction of confiscated firearms now.

 

[Furniture]

Today the hunger games for compensation begin... I'm guessing there will be a lot of very disappointed firearms owners when the money runs out.

 

[Stoker]

They'll certainly have some uptake but I feel it won't be as popular as they think it will be.

 

[Furniture]

They'll certainly have some uptake but I feel it won't be as popular as they think it will be.

True, I suspect a fair number will hold their previously non-restricted firearms and hope for a change in the laws in the future.

For me, the risk isn't worth the reward. If they become legal again, I'll buy them again.

 

[Haggis]

They'll certainly have some uptake but I feel it won't be as popular as they think it will be.

Like I posted earlier, QC will probably see significant participation due to the SQ maintaining a functioning registry. Make no mistake, the old registry data is still out there and will likely be used by the RCMP as a baseline outside of ON and QC.

 

[suffolkowner]

If they are only going to compensate firearm owners for the first 136000 firearms that leaves a hell of a lot of firearms and firearm owners SOL. Just on the ones that were previously Restricted. This doesnt pass any sort of fairness test at all

 

[Furniture]

If they are only going to compensate firearm owners for the first 136000 firearms that leaves a hell of a lot of firearms and firearm owners SOL. Just on the ones that were previously Restricted. This doesnt pass any sort of fairness test at all

Firearms owners aren't LPC voters in their minds, so they don't deserve fairness.

 

[Jarnhamar]

If they are only going to compensate firearm owners for the first 136000 firearms that leaves a hell of a lot of firearms and firearm owners SOL. Just on the ones that were previously Restricted. This doesnt pass any sort of fairness test at all

Quite the betrayal.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Quite the betrayal.

You can say a lot of things about the LPC but I'm not sure I would call this a betrayal. Unless you voted for them.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

If you don’t participate in the back door registry attempt and tell them what you currently hold, you don’t get to participate in the compensation portion.