The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Kat Stevens]

Ducks Unlimited was started by a bunch of duck hunters who wanted to preserve wetlands so they'd have lots of places to go and kill ducks. Their altruism was based on selfishness.

 

[mariomike]

Good point MM.

Back at Reply #717 there was a debate about Ducks Unlimited and a petition.

 

[PuckChaser]

Ducks Unlimited was started by a bunch of duck hunters who wanted to preserve wetlands so they'd have lots of places to go and kill ducks. Their altruism was based on selfishness.

Hunters put more money into conservation than most other groups, whats your point? Where do you think the money from all those tags, licences, etc go to every year? If hunting within scientifically designated limits and putting money towards preserving and creating habitats to do that hunting is selfishness, then you and I have different definitions of the term. At the end of the day, habitat is protected.

 

[my72jeep]

Good point MM. I'm sure their members will be satisfied by that logic.


In the mean time Michelle Rempel's petition about this ban got 12,000 signatures in less than 4 hours and seems to have been overloaded.

Liberals keep talking about how 80% of Canadians approve of this ban. It sounds like they're quoting an Angus Reid poll.
"Four-in-five Canadians support complete ban on civilian possession of assault style weapons"

Those 4 in 5 Canadians are out of a 1500 strong poll, always found it weird how that somehow speaks for all Canadians.
It also mentions "the rampage of an assault weapon-carrying murderer who killed 22 people in Nova Scotia last month". That's weird since there's still no definition on what an assault weapon is and as far as I'm aware the type of weapon hasn't been released to the public. (KILLED 9 OF THEM WITH A BIC LIGHTER NOT AN ASSAULT STYAL WEAPON.)

Petition is up to 19,000 signatures in 6 hours?
https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-2574

 

[PuckChaser]

I haven't even gotten my email verification to confirm my signature on the petition, so I bet the volume crashed the system.

 

[Kat Stevens]

Hunters put more money into conservation than most other groups, whats your point? Where do you think the money from all those tags, licences, etc go to every year? If hunting within scientifically designated limits and putting money towards preserving and creating habitats to do that hunting is selfishness, then you and I have different definitions of the term. At the end of the day, habitat is protected.

Why are you looking to pick a fight with me? I said what I said. That was my point. Go find another leg to hump.

 

[PuckChaser]

Why are you looking to pick a fight with me? I said what I said. That was my point. Go find another leg to hump.

I'm not picking a fight with you, I'm disagreeing with your statement. Don't try to make it personal when its not personal.

 

[suffolkowner]

The vast majority of people in favor of this gun ban do not understand the difference between fully automatic and semi automatic they just hear automatic and think of what they see in the movies. Comments that I have read online think that everything that was on the list was easily available before May 1st including anti tank weapons. Earlier upthread there was mention of the legality of howitzers which reminded me of some decades ago now I was told that you could own the device or the ammo but not both over 2". I'm not sure how much to believe in that but at the time I was convinced

 

[Kat Stevens]

I'm not picking a fight with you, I'm disagreeing with your statement. Don't try to make it personal when its not personal.

What did I say that was incorrect, exactly? Of course hunters have a vested interest in conservation. That's what I said. You asked me my point, then went into a long winded explanation of why I was right. I guess if I had an underlying point it's that DU maybe should weigh in on the issue.

 

[PuckChaser]

What did I say that was incorrect, exactly? Of course hunters have a vested interest in conservation.

Perhaps its the way you worded it that made it sound like hunters can't be conservationists and hunt as well by calling them selfish?

 

[Kat Stevens]

Perhaps its the way you worded it that made it sound like hunters can't be conservationists and hunt as well by calling them selfish?

You're looking for problems that aren't there. Preserving something so that you can benefit from it is selfish. If others benefit from it too, then that's a bonus.

 

[BDTyre]

I haven't even gotten my email verification to confirm my signature on the petition, so I bet the volume crashed the system.

It took a few hours for mine to show up.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Back at Reply #717 there was a debate about Ducks Unlimited and a petition.

Did you sign this new petition?

 

[mariomike]

Did you sign this new petition?

Documents I sign, or do not sign, are none of your business, Jarnhamar.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Documents I sign, or do not sign, are none of your business, Jarnhamar.

I got 300 milpoints for you if you do, friend

 

[mariomike]

I got 300 milpoints for you if you do, friend

You know how to buy me off! 

 

[OldSolduer]

The vast majority of people in favor of this gun ban do not understand the difference between fully automatic and semi automatic they just hear automatic and think of what they see in the movies. Comments that I have read online think that everything that was on the list was easily available before May 1st including anti tank weapons. Earlier upthread there was mention of the legality of howitzers which reminded me of some decades ago now I was told that you could own the device or the ammo but not both over 2". I'm not sure how much to believe in that but at the time I was convinced

Just a thought but where was this poll taken?

No one asked me or my wife - I'm willing to bet it was taken in Toronto.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Why 12ga may be prohibited  https://s3.amazonaws.com/CSSA/PDF/SOR2020-96-CSSA-Legal-Opinion-re-12-gauge-shotguns.pdf

 

[mariomike]

Just a thought but where was this poll taken?

For detailed results by age, gender, region, education, and other demographics,

http://angusreid.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/2020.04.30_Gun-Control_PR-Tables_Demos.pdf

 

[Haggis]

Minister Blair has reached out to the CSSA and CSAAA via Twitter to set the record straight and to correct their misunderstanding.  .10 and .12 ga shotguns are not banned.