The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Halifax Tar]

I am aware of the PPC and Libertarian Party firearm policies.

I personally don't believe that either the PPC or Libertarian Party have any chance of taking power anytime soon. It's my understand that within the Canadian firearm owner community there's a split between those who see the PPC as a vote-worthy cause, and those who see it as a throwaway vote when all efforts should go to supporting the Conservatives who have a better chance of winning, and at least potentially doing something instead of vote-splitting which could ultimately allow the Liberals to continue mopping the floor with Conservative candidates, which they of course gun-owners see as a worst-case type outcome.

I know that the PPC did gain some notable votes from the firearms community in recent elections, and it was a voter base they're hoping to get traction from, but it didn't exactly have an effect on anything, and in my opinion, the PPC (Or Libertarians) aren't going to change the status quo regarding legal gun ownership in Canada anytime soon.

Regarding Harper undoing the ban on two rifle bans in the link you provided, there's a lot more nuance to that story, those were incorrectly classified models and sold to the public prior to the realization they may have actually been prohibited based on the current laws of the time and the receivers the manufacturer assembled them from. It was not a case of Harper allowing gun owners to buy something that was previously prohibited, but a case of allowing them to keep something that was incorrectly classified. For those familiar with what actually happened, that entire situation was a complete mess!

I don't believe the PPC or Libertarians will ever form Gov, but that wasn't the question.

If the firearms vote, and don't for get that includes people like my wife who don't own guns but vote with us in mind, walk away from CPC it will be devastating.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Problem is, where can we go?

There are options above. You can also spoil your ballot or just not vote...

 

[Brad Sallows]

In a tug-of-war the tension applies both ways. If you drop your end, it moves even further away from you.

 

[Eaglelord17]

I don't believe the PPC or Libertarians will ever form Gov, but that wasn't the question.

If the firearms vote, and don't for get that includes people like my wife who don't own guns but vote with us in mind, walk away from CPC it will be devastating.

Yeah devastating for firearms owners. A true cut off your nose to spite your face moment.

 

[Mills Bomb]

I'm just taking a guess on how it will go down.

I think the CPC would do a partial rollback on some of the JT era policies, but not a full rollback. They will keep taunting that carrot, giving just enough to satisfy the single issue pro-gun voters. The only way they go back to pre-2020 would be perhaps if they win several elections in a row.

Following this, the status quo of minor changes in each direction probably will continue on for decades.

As I said, it's just a guess and possible course of action we can see playing out based on how we got to where we are now. There's some wildcard factors, like god forbid there's some kind of gun related event that accelerates things, or the unlikely chance of a far-right government taking power, or maybe US annexation (I am not saying I believe this would happen, just an example of a black swan type thing).

And like I said, feel free to tear my prediction apart! Curious what would possible cause a different outcome.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I'm just taking a guess on how it will go down.

I think the CPC would do a partial rollback on some of the JT era policies, but not a full rollback. They will keep taunting that carrot, giving just enough to satisfy the single issue pro-gun voters. The only way they go back to pre-2020 would be perhaps if they win several elections in a row.

Following this, the status quo of minor changes in each direction probably will continue on for decades.

As I said, it's just a guess and possible course of action we can see playing out based on how we got to where we are now. There's some wildcard factors, like god forbid there's some kind of gun related event that accelerates things, or the unlikely chance of a far-right government taking power, or maybe US annexation (I am not saying I believe this would happen, just an example of a black swan type thing).

And like I said, feel free to tear my prediction apart! Curious what would possible cause a different outcome.

Your prediction is no more right or wrong than mine. No need to tear anything apart.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Yeah devastating for firearms owners. A true cut off your nose to spite your face moment.

If the CPC doesn't roll things back to pre 2020 I am not sure how they can sustain that vote.

I'm still hoping that financial wizard that claims and people think he is sees how stupid this and at least stops everything. If he wanted to skim more votes from the CPC bring it back to pre 2020. He seems to be willing to reverse other Liberal policies, some flagship.

 

[OldSolduer]

I'm just taking a guess on how it will go down.


There's some wildcard factors, like god forbid there's some kind of gun related event that accelerates things

In 1934 Sergei Kirov, a Communist party favorite, was assassinated. The assassin was found not long after, tried, found guilty and executed that very day. It has been suspected that Stalin the Paranoid thought Kirov was too popular and had him eliminated. This gave Stalin the excuse he needed for "The Great Purge".
I would highly doubt our left wing anti gun people would go that far to give a government an excuse to grab guns, but one never really knows. Lenin did say "you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs"

 

[IKnowNothing]

If the CPC doesn't roll things back to pre 2020 I am not sure how they can sustain that vote.

I'm still hoping that financial wizard that claims and people think he is sees how stupid this and at least stops everything. If he wanted to skim more votes from the CPC bring it back to pre 2020. He seems to be willing to reverse other Liberal policies, some flagship.

It's a fine line on both sides of the fence

LPC- continue inroads towards the centre vs. maintain the integrity of their pre-Carney existing voter block
CPC- avoid losing votes to the right vs. risk hardening ABC voter intention

A CPC win is damn near impossible without NDP (and to a lesser extent: Bloq) voters going home- will they go home if presented with the "threat" of a CPC government undoing close to a decade of "progress" on gun control?

With knowledge of the above, what's the math on the LPC actively hastening that return home in exchange for a relative handful of single issue voters that don't actually like them? The vibe I get is that Carney is content to let this continue. It's at a state where the vast majority of the population is content or ambivalent, and the dollars involved are miniscule in the scope of the national budget. If he could thread the needle to neutralize the fairness aspect of the rug pull and grandfather existing owners out that would leave the CPC in a very tricky position, but I think that would cost him Quebec so.... impasse.

 

[suffolkowner]

It's a fine line on both sides of the fence

LPC- continue inroads towards the centre vs. maintain the integrity of their pre-Carney existing voter block
CPC- avoid losing votes to the right vs. risk hardening ABC voter intention

A CPC win is damn near impossible without NDP (and to a lesser extent: Bloq) voters going home- will they go home if presented with the "threat" of a CPC government undoing close to a decade of "progress" on gun control?

With knowledge of the above, what's the math on the LPC actively hastening that return home in exchange for a relative handful of single issue voters that don't actually like them? The vibe I get is that Carney is content to let this continue. It's at a state where the vast majority of the population is content or ambivalent, and the dollars involved are miniscule in the scope of the national budget. If he could thread the needle to neutralize the fairness aspect of the rug pull and grandfather existing owners out that would leave the CPC in a very tricky position, but I think that would cost him Quebec so.... impasse.

the Liberals wont win forever. They got lucky with the Trump win and Carney swap even if predictable. Might not be the next election or the one after but theyll get swapped out eventually

 

[Halifax Tar]

It's a fine line on both sides of the fence

LPC- continue inroads towards the centre vs. maintain the integrity of their pre-Carney existing voter block
CPC- avoid losing votes to the right vs. risk hardening ABC voter intention

A CPC win is damn near impossible without NDP (and to a lesser extent: Bloq) voters going home- will they go home if presented with the "threat" of a CPC government undoing close to a decade of "progress" on gun control?

With knowledge of the above, what's the math on the LPC actively hastening that return home in exchange for a relative handful of single issue voters that don't actually like them? The vibe I get is that Carney is content to let this continue. It's at a state where the vast majority of the population is content or ambivalent, and the dollars involved are miniscule in the scope of the national budget. If he could thread the needle to neutralize the fairness aspect of the rug pull and grandfather existing owners out that would leave the CPC in a very tricky position, but I think that would cost him Quebec so.... impasse.

I have absolute faith in the NDP and LPCs ability to trot out abortion and firearms to swing elections.

Death, taxes and the two listed above are certainties in Canadian life.

 

[Genetk44]

PC will never win as long as PP is the party leader. No major Canadian political party has the cojones to completely roll-back the existing gun-laws to pre-1990

 

[Haggis]

the Liberals wont win forever. They got lucky with the Trump win and Carney swap even if predictable. Might not be the next election or the one after but theyll get swapped out eventually

By then the damage will be irreveversibly done. No one who spent $3k+ on a tricked out AR platform, then was forced turned it in for $0 is going to buy another one in the hopes that the CPC can codify sensible gun laws for the foreseeable future so they don't lose it in a future ban.

 

[Halifax Tar]

PC will never win a majority as long as PP is the party leader. No major Canadian political party has the cojones to completely roll-back the existing gun-laws to pre-1990

I will add the above to agree with you. The parties are neck and neck.

 

[Good2Golf]

I have absolute faith in the NDP and LPCs ability to trot out abortion and firearms to swing elections.

It’s the CPC that will raise abortion legislation from the grave.

 

[Halifax Tar]

It’s the CPC that will raise abortion legislation from the grave.

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PP: We're not against abortion!

Interviewer: No one asked you that question...

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The CPC stance on firearms has been consistent and hasn't changed in years.

‘I Will Repeal These Laws,’ Poilievre Says of Bill C-21 and Bill C-71 – TheGunBlog.ca

Poilievre says he will repeal Bill C-21 and Bill C-71 if elected prime minister.

thegunblog.ca

 

[OldSolduer]

PP: We're not against abortion!

Interviewer: No one asked you that question...

No because the LPC brings it up every election.

 

[suffolkowner]

By then the damage will be irreveversibly done. No one who spent $3k+ on a tricked out AR platform, then was forced turned it in for $0 is going to buy another one in the hopes that the CPC can codify sensible gun laws for the foreseeable future so they don't lose it in a future ban.

people with RPALS are in a bad place I think, maybe the amnesty will be extended forever

 

[Haggis]

people with RPALS are in a bad place I think, maybe the amnesty will be extended forever

Not bloody likely. As October 2026 draws near and participation outside QC begins to resemble Cape Breton, I expect the LPC will take a much harder line against gun owners and bring in some pretty harsh penalties for non-compliance. Nathalie has Gary by the balls and he knows it.