The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Eaglelord17]

I don't believe the PPC or Libertarians will ever form Gov, but that wasn't the question.

If the firearms vote, and don't for get that includes people like my wife who don't own guns but vote with us in mind, walk away from CPC it will be devastating.

Yeah devastating for firearms owners. A true cut off your nose to spite your face moment.

 

[Mills Bomb]

I'm just taking a guess on how it will go down.

I think the CPC would do a partial rollback on some of the JT era policies, but not a full rollback. They will keep taunting that carrot, giving just enough to satisfy the single issue pro-gun voters. The only way they go back to pre-2020 would be perhaps if they win several elections in a row.

Following this, the status quo of minor changes in each direction probably will continue on for decades.

As I said, it's just a guess and possible course of action we can see playing out based on how we got to where we are now. There's some wildcard factors, like god forbid there's some kind of gun related event that accelerates things, or the unlikely chance of a far-right government taking power, or maybe US annexation (I am not saying I believe this would happen, just an example of a black swan type thing).

And like I said, feel free to tear my prediction apart! Curious what would possible cause a different outcome.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I'm just taking a guess on how it will go down.

I think the CPC would do a partial rollback on some of the JT era policies, but not a full rollback. They will keep taunting that carrot, giving just enough to satisfy the single issue pro-gun voters. The only way they go back to pre-2020 would be perhaps if they win several elections in a row.

Following this, the status quo of minor changes in each direction probably will continue on for decades.

As I said, it's just a guess and possible course of action we can see playing out based on how we got to where we are now. There's some wildcard factors, like god forbid there's some kind of gun related event that accelerates things, or the unlikely chance of a far-right government taking power, or maybe US annexation (I am not saying I believe this would happen, just an example of a black swan type thing).

And like I said, feel free to tear my prediction apart! Curious what would possible cause a different outcome.

Your prediction is no more right or wrong than mine. No need to tear anything apart.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Yeah devastating for firearms owners. A true cut off your nose to spite your face moment.

If the CPC doesn't roll things back to pre 2020 I am not sure how they can sustain that vote.

I'm still hoping that financial wizard that claims and people think he is sees how stupid this and at least stops everything. If he wanted to skim more votes from the CPC bring it back to pre 2020. He seems to be willing to reverse other Liberal policies, some flagship.

 

[OldSolduer]

I'm just taking a guess on how it will go down.


There's some wildcard factors, like god forbid there's some kind of gun related event that accelerates things

In 1934 Sergei Kirov, a Communist party favorite, was assassinated. The assassin was found not long after, tried, found guilty and executed that very day. It has been suspected that Stalin the Paranoid thought Kirov was too popular and had him eliminated. This gave Stalin the excuse he needed for "The Great Purge".
I would highly doubt our left wing anti gun people would go that far to give a government an excuse to grab guns, but one never really knows. Lenin did say "you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs"

 

[Deleted member 175000]

If the CPC doesn't roll things back to pre 2020 I am not sure how they can sustain that vote.

I'm still hoping that financial wizard that claims and people think he is sees how stupid this and at least stops everything. If he wanted to skim more votes from the CPC bring it back to pre 2020. He seems to be willing to reverse other Liberal policies, some flagship.

It's a fine line on both sides of the fence

LPC- continue inroads towards the centre vs. maintain the integrity of their pre-Carney existing voter block
CPC- avoid losing votes to the right vs. risk hardening ABC voter intention

A CPC win is damn near impossible without NDP (and to a lesser extent: Bloq) voters going home- will they go home if presented with the "threat" of a CPC government undoing close to a decade of "progress" on gun control?

With knowledge of the above, what's the math on the LPC actively hastening that return home in exchange for a relative handful of single issue voters that don't actually like them? The vibe I get is that Carney is content to let this continue. It's at a state where the vast majority of the population is content or ambivalent, and the dollars involved are miniscule in the scope of the national budget. If he could thread the needle to neutralize the fairness aspect of the rug pull and grandfather existing owners out that would leave the CPC in a very tricky position, but I think that would cost him Quebec so.... impasse.

 

[suffolkowner]

It's a fine line on both sides of the fence

LPC- continue inroads towards the centre vs. maintain the integrity of their pre-Carney existing voter block
CPC- avoid losing votes to the right vs. risk hardening ABC voter intention

A CPC win is damn near impossible without NDP (and to a lesser extent: Bloq) voters going home- will they go home if presented with the "threat" of a CPC government undoing close to a decade of "progress" on gun control?

With knowledge of the above, what's the math on the LPC actively hastening that return home in exchange for a relative handful of single issue voters that don't actually like them? The vibe I get is that Carney is content to let this continue. It's at a state where the vast majority of the population is content or ambivalent, and the dollars involved are miniscule in the scope of the national budget. If he could thread the needle to neutralize the fairness aspect of the rug pull and grandfather existing owners out that would leave the CPC in a very tricky position, but I think that would cost him Quebec so.... impasse.

the Liberals wont win forever. They got lucky with the Trump win and Carney swap even if predictable. Might not be the next election or the one after but theyll get swapped out eventually

 

[Halifax Tar]

It's a fine line on both sides of the fence

LPC- continue inroads towards the centre vs. maintain the integrity of their pre-Carney existing voter block
CPC- avoid losing votes to the right vs. risk hardening ABC voter intention

A CPC win is damn near impossible without NDP (and to a lesser extent: Bloq) voters going home- will they go home if presented with the "threat" of a CPC government undoing close to a decade of "progress" on gun control?

With knowledge of the above, what's the math on the LPC actively hastening that return home in exchange for a relative handful of single issue voters that don't actually like them? The vibe I get is that Carney is content to let this continue. It's at a state where the vast majority of the population is content or ambivalent, and the dollars involved are miniscule in the scope of the national budget. If he could thread the needle to neutralize the fairness aspect of the rug pull and grandfather existing owners out that would leave the CPC in a very tricky position, but I think that would cost him Quebec so.... impasse.

I have absolute faith in the NDP and LPCs ability to trot out abortion and firearms to swing elections.

Death, taxes and the two listed above are certainties in Canadian life.

 

[Genetk44]

PC will never win as long as PP is the party leader. No major Canadian political party has the cojones to completely roll-back the existing gun-laws to pre-1990

 

[Haggis]

the Liberals wont win forever. They got lucky with the Trump win and Carney swap even if predictable. Might not be the next election or the one after but theyll get swapped out eventually

By then the damage will be irreveversibly done. No one who spent $3k+ on a tricked out AR platform, then was forced turned it in for $0 is going to buy another one in the hopes that the CPC can codify sensible gun laws for the foreseeable future so they don't lose it in a future ban.

 

[Halifax Tar]

PC will never win a majority as long as PP is the party leader. No major Canadian political party has the cojones to completely roll-back the existing gun-laws to pre-1990

I will add the above to agree with you. The parties are neck and neck.

 

[Good2Golf]

I have absolute faith in the NDP and LPCs ability to trot out abortion and firearms to swing elections.

It’s the CPC that will raise abortion legislation from the grave.

 

[Halifax Tar]

It’s the CPC that will raise abortion legislation from the grave.

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PP: We're not against abortion!

Interviewer: No one asked you that question...

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The CPC stance on firearms has been consistent and hasn't changed in years.

‘I Will Repeal These Laws,’ Poilievre Says of Bill C-21 and Bill C-71 – TheGunBlog.ca

Poilievre says he will repeal Bill C-21 and Bill C-71 if elected prime minister.

thegunblog.ca

 

[OldSolduer]

PP: We're not against abortion!

Interviewer: No one asked you that question...

No because the LPC brings it up every election.

 

[suffolkowner]

By then the damage will be irreveversibly done. No one who spent $3k+ on a tricked out AR platform, then was forced turned it in for $0 is going to buy another one in the hopes that the CPC can codify sensible gun laws for the foreseeable future so they don't lose it in a future ban.

people with RPALS are in a bad place I think, maybe the amnesty will be extended forever

 

[Haggis]

people with RPALS are in a bad place I think, maybe the amnesty will be extended forever

Not bloody likely. As October 2026 draws near and participation outside QC begins to resemble Cape Breton, I expect the LPC will take a much harder line against gun owners and bring in some pretty harsh penalties for non-compliance. Nathalie has Gary by the balls and he knows it.

 

[KeLouJoH]

I know we are on a Canadian web forum but still I would like to hear members' opinion/s. Especially when it comes to GOA's difference/s from the Second Amendment Foundation and the much newer Firearm Policy Coalition.

It is too bad we don't have too many of these gun rights groups here in Canada, as I would really like to support them financially. This is an important issue to me. Thank you.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Go donate to the CCFR.

 

[KeLouJoH]

CCFR

Thank you for making me aware of this group, Fish. However, I feel that I should focus my money like a laser beam and concentrate it on where it will return the best result on my money. I really don't think there are enough Canadians who care about gun rights for there to be any meaningful pro-gun movements here. In other words, I think we are too far gone. I think it's best to send my money south of the border, to help patriotic Americans secure their right. If they have their 2A, the "spill-over" effect will positively affect us.