The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Eaglelord17]

Hey, I'm not saying I believe that one guy did something wrong, so ban everything. I'm saying that for hot button issues, it doesn't help when one side provides more ammo to the opponents argument. And as long as the pro-gun side relies on the drunk driver, what about knives, or its illegal guns causing the problem arguments, instead of why firearms can have a positive effect on society, it will never move the needle.

The problem is your fighting a emotional argument with facts and reason. Those with the emotions don’t care about the facts.

It is up to the people wanting to prohibit a act or item to prove what they want is positive. They cannot do that statistically or in a court of law (hence moving the ‘evidence’ to state secret last time).

Instead they rely on emotion and ignore the facts to get what they want. Bringing up the US and situations which are completely different from the reality in Canada as their examples. Much like say anti-hunting groups showing footage of illegal bear hunts in the states to argue for no bear hunts in Canada.

It is dishonest and even worse they created much of their false narrative by allowing criminals to run rampant for a decade. Literally creating a crisis then offering a ‘solution’ which has nothing to do with the actual problem.

Firearms which have been legal for 80+ years in country aren’t the issue, but our politicians like to pretend they are because addressing the real problems is much harder.

 

[Halifax Tar]

End gun licences for international students, former B.C. solicitor general says

Several international students have been identified as suspects in violent extortions in B.C., Ontario and Alberta over the past two years

vancouversun.com

 

[KevinB]

End gun licences for international students, former B.C. solicitor general says

Several international students have been identified as suspects in violent extortions in B.C., Ontario and Alberta over the past two years

vancouversun.com

Should not those who are committing criminal offenses just be deported, and not punish the law abiding ones????

 

[Halifax Tar]

Should not those who are committing criminal offenses just be deported, and not punish the law abiding ones????

Yes.

 

[KevinB]

Yes.

I mean I long ago gave up trying to figure out BC Politics. Other than it usually does exactly what I would be doing the opposite of.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Should not those who are committing criminal offenses just be deported, and not punish the law abiding ones????

There you go making sense again ...

 

[Booter]

You've confuse me, which admittedly is easy.

Are you saying that since 2020 the RCMP and it's officers haven't lost 122 handguns, 55 shotguns, 23 rifles, 3 submachine guns, and 2 machine guns



Are you engaged much with the firearms community ?

I ask because the various underlying organizations do all kinds of classes and events to showcase positive use of firearms.

One also has to remember there is a cohort in Canada, who doesn't believe in any type of private firearms ownership. And no exposure to positive firearms usage or employment will change that. And most of that cohort is in the LPC and NDP ranks.

I’ll give you an example. Ten pistols are transitioned to police dog search items. Sgt Dingus doesn’t remove the item from inventory as deactivated and converted. Then the inventory is run- ten pistols are missing! Two years later they are accounted for but for the year they are lost.

There are a ton of things like this where firearms are passing in and out of inventories and they are immediately scored as lost or missing. Placed on CPIC all in an effort to appear accountable to the public but they see what they want to see.

I have very good first hand knowledge of this system and how we score firearms and where we lose them.

That said, again, we also straight up lose firearms. And cops lose theirs in public bathrooms. We are not blameless.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

End gun licences for international students, former B.C. solicitor general says

Several international students have been identified as suspects in violent extortions in B.C., Ontario and Alberta over the past two years

vancouversun.com

Most of the extortion shootings shown on the news are done with handguns. PAL or not, they shouldn't be able to legally access any handgun, or newly prohibited long guns. They are illegal firearms. Not having a PAL makes zero difference to the offenders. They are still going to get and use illegal guns and shoot up neighbourhoods.

Anyone on a visa shouldn't be able to even access our firearms program.

 

[Haggis]

End gun licences for international students, former B.C. solicitor general says

Several international students have been identified as suspects in violent extortions in B.C., Ontario and Alberta over the past two years

vancouversun.com

Easy fix. Under IRPA 29(2) impose a condition that the person shall not be granted a PAL/RPAL. This can be done under IRPR 185(c) by stating they are not permitted to undertake the CFSC/CRFSC.