The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[KevinB]

You obviously haven't met the United States Military Industrial Complex.

Well to be fair small items like infantry rifles etc are left to a bunch of Col’s to roll the chicken bones to determine a winner.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Devil's Advocate:

Sweden has announced earlier this week that it intends to purchase new frigates, 4 of them. They plan to make a decision by early next year and intend to stress 'anti-air warfare capabilities'. They 'hope' to have 2 by 2030 and the last 2 by 2035 - pipe dreams to have 2 ships delivered by 2030 when you're 'hoping' to make a decision by early 2026.

Now hear me out. What are the chances of us cutting a deal with the Swedes similar to what the Brits just cut with the Norwegians with the Type 26, where the Norwegians 'take' one of the Brits timeslots for the initial delivery and then the rest are staggered into the production run? The key to all of this would be the ability of Irving (or Davie takes on this production) to ramp up their delivery timelines much much quicker in order to make our and the Swedes needs.

The Swedes might very well purchase the CMS330 capabilities and not use Aegis at all in their version of the River Class.

All of these just might be part of the grand strategy between Canada and Sweden that is under discussion.

The article only mentions French and Spanish possible options for the Swedes. The River's might be too large for them but its an unknown.

Swedish Navy To Acquire Frigates, Its Biggest Surface Combatants In Nearly 50 Years

Swedish Navy To Acquire Frigates, Its Biggest Surface Combatants In Nearly 50 Years​

 

[Good2Golf]

Rafale would have to turn over lots of IP to meet NORAD compatibility.

I don’t believe that. Rafale M is the only non-US fighter to integrate and operate from a Nimitz-class CVN, George H.W. Bush (CVN-77) to be precise…

We need to stay in the F35 deal to maintain the related contracts we have.

Alan Williams, ADM(Mat) back when he signed Canada in to the JSF Program, he was clear that Canada would participate in manufacture, whether it actually bought airframes or not.

 

[Rainbow1910]

Now hear me out. What are the chances of us cutting a deal with the Swedes similar to what the Brits just cut with the Norwegians with the Type 26, where the Norwegians 'take' one of the Brits timeslots for the initial delivery and then the rest are staggered into the production run? The key to all of this would be the ability of Irving (or Davie takes on this production) to ramp up their delivery timelines much much quicker in order to make our and the Swedes needs.

Never going to happen, the RCN is beyond desperate to get the River class in service and will accept no delays in order to make that happen. Nobody besides Irving is going to take on production.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Never going to happen, the RCN is beyond desperate to get the River class in service and will accept no delays in order to make that happen. Nobody besides Irving is going to take on production.

If the RCN is beyond desperate to get the River class in service why are they not flogging Irving like a rented mule to get off their butts and deliver the ships much quicker than the current timeline? Hard to take their 'desperation' as being serious if the timelines to deliver aren't being moved up.