The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[RangerRay]

Lloyd Axworthy is the standard bearer for the anti-militarist faction. Recce helicopters? Maybe. Attack Helicopters? The women of the United Church guild would be foaming at the mouth and writing letters in the Globe

And I would argue that they have lost their influence over the last 15-20 years.

Persuasion matters when you stick to the facts and don’t veer into hackdom.

 

[YZT580]

I was told that Louis St Laurent managed to explain to a very sceptical Quebec why we had to be involved in the Korean War. In the end, they still didn’t like it, but at least they understood the necessity of why we were involved.

I wish more politicians used this power of persuasion today.

they would if they were known to tell the truth once in a while. Think back on all the derogatory comments made by politicians regarding cadillac helicopters, the F35, the airbuses originally with Mulroney. I reiterate they have to start by presenting a united front on the need so it becomes separate from party politics. and I apologize for repeating myself

 

[Kirkhill]

And I would argue that they have lost their influence over the last 15-20 years.

Persuasion matters when you stick to the facts and don’t veer into hackdom.

Lloyd stuck his head up, along with Allan Rock, just recently, advising that we ignore this DJT 2% nonsense.

They influenced a bunch of people who are now teachers and politicians and who lean heavily in the pacifist direction.

There used to be a strong correlation between the United Church and the NDP. That was in the days when they supported Zionism and building new Jerusalems.

 

[OldSolduer]

Agree with that but most Canadians don’t like defence spending . Elbows up!!!

I’ll qualify that with when they need rescuing they love the CAF

 

[RangerRay]

Lloyd stuck his head up, along with Allan Rock, just recently, advising that we ignore this DJT 2% nonsense.

They influenced a bunch of people who are now teachers and politicians and who lean heavily in the pacifist direction.

There used to be a strong correlation between the United Church and the NDP. That was in the days when they supported Zionism and building new Jerusalems.

And for the most part, everyone said “Lloyd Who?”

He got one day of news coverage and was promptly forgotten about. When was the last time anyone heard from the Raging Grannies?

 

[Czech_pivo]

And for the most part, everyone said “Lloyd Who?”

He got one day of news coverage and was promptly forgotten about. When was the last time anyone heard from the Raging Grannies?

I think that they may have moved on....

 

[Kirkhill]

And for the most part, everyone said “Lloyd Who?”

He got one day of news coverage and was promptly forgotten about. When was the last time anyone heard from the Raging Grannies?

My point is not that Lloyd and Allan are personally relevant today. The point is that the constituency that they represented, and the school of thought of that constituency, is now very much part of mainstream Canadian culture.

 

[KevinB]

My point is not that Lloyd and Allan are personally relevant today. The point is that the constituency that they represented, and the school of thought of that constituency, is now very much part of mainstream Canadian culture.

Or is it? Perhaps their constituents moved on as well.

 

[Kirkhill]

Or is it? Perhaps their constituents moved on as well.

You wouldn't know it from my circle of acquaintances.
I understand that some of them even actively detest Trump.

 

[HavokFour]

The show will go on regardless.

It's 'full steam ahead' for the F-35 program until told otherwise, defence official says

 

[Czech_pivo]

The show will go on regardless.

It's 'full steam ahead' for the F-35 program until told otherwise, defence official says

We have 16 at a min coming, they will require new facilities, that is plain and simple.
I wish reporting that is complete and comprehensive would be done.
If I presented some of these incomplete, inaccurate or misleading presentations to my VP’s I’d be walked out the door by lunchtime.

 

[Halifax Tar]

And for the most part, everyone said “Lloyd Who?”

He got one day of news coverage and was promptly forgotten about. When was the last time anyone heard from the Raging Grannies?

I googled for you

Raging Grannies International – Welcome to the International Raging Grannies website!

raginggrannies.org

Raging Grannies - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

An article from yesterday:

Raging Grannies exercise their freedom of singing to challenge book bans and more

The eclectic group of senior social justice advocates gathered to mark the beginning of Banned Book Week and to play songs with parody lyrics that tackled everything from reading to DEI to climate change.

lookouteugene-springfield.com

 

[KevinB]

You wouldn't know it from my circle of acquaintances.
I understand that some of them even actively detest Trump.

You live down here?

 

[Czech_pivo]

I googled for you

Raging Grannies International – Welcome to the International Raging Grannies website!

raginggrannies.org

Raging Grannies - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

An article from yesterday:

Raging Grannies exercise their freedom of singing to challenge book bans and more

The eclectic group of senior social justice advocates gathered to mark the beginning of Banned Book Week and to play songs with parody lyrics that tackled everything from reading to DEI to climate change.

lookouteugene-springfield.com

"The members believed the presence of US Navy nuclear-powered ships' presence in Victoria Harbour posed potential health and environmental risks to the city."<a href="Raging Grannies - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a>

Looks like the 'tin foil' logic is alive and well within the group.

 

[Underway]

They do pose potential health and environmental risks. That's why we exercise a nuclear reactor leak from a visiting submarine response. The potential is vanishing close to zero though.

 

[Czech_pivo]

They do pose potential health and environmental risks. That's why we exercise a nuclear reactor leak from a visiting submarine response. The potential is vanishing close to zero though.

Is that potential leak, greater than, equal to or less than, the potential leak that may occur on a daily basis at Pickering, Darlington or The Bruce?

 

[KevinB]

They do pose potential health and environmental risks. That's why we exercise a nuclear reactor leak from a visiting submarine response. The potential is vanishing close to zero though.

A perfect example of what that crowd can be right, yet wrong at the same time.

Frankly their carbon footprint is more damaging than the SSN.

 

[KevinB]

Is that potential leak, greater than, equal to or less than, the potential leak that may occur on a daily basis at Pickering, Darlington or The Bruce?

Less based on historical USN data, but even the ONT Nuke sites are way less problematic than the environmental damage from hydro, coal (or when you factor in the environmental damage to make them; wind and solar)

But let’s not let facts get in the way of idiots yelling at clouds.

 

[Underway]

Is that potential leak, greater than, equal to or less than, the potential leak that may occur on a daily basis at Pickering, Darlington or The Bruce?

We exercise a major emission of nuclear material because its easier to practice big and then scale down. But again, the chances are basically zero of that happening outside of kinetic action against the submarine itself.

 

[Underway]

Less based on historical USN data, but even the ONT Nuke sites are way less problematic than the environmental damage from hydro, coal (or when you factor in the environmental damage to make them; wind and solar)

But let’s not let facts get in the way of idiots yelling at clouds.

Lets not get all raging about solar and wind. They have a place and are extremely important mixes to many energy systems. And yes they CAN have a very low carbon footprint and environmental impact when implemented in comparison to most other energy sources (based on ton carbon to kWh produced). But like all energy producers they need to be placed where they are going to maximize cost/power efficiency.

Most people miss that last statement. Power has to be reliable, available, affordable. Like hydro, wind and solar have issues with the first two if you site them incorrectly. But if you do site them correctly, oh baby, they are excellent.