The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[RangerRay]

Lloyd Axworthy is the standard bearer for the anti-militarist faction. Recce helicopters? Maybe. Attack Helicopters? The women of the United Church guild would be foaming at the mouth and writing letters in the Globe

And I would argue that they have lost their influence over the last 15-20 years.

Persuasion matters when you stick to the facts and don’t veer into hackdom.

 

[YZT580]

I was told that Louis St Laurent managed to explain to a very sceptical Quebec why we had to be involved in the Korean War. In the end, they still didn’t like it, but at least they understood the necessity of why we were involved.

I wish more politicians used this power of persuasion today.

they would if they were known to tell the truth once in a while. Think back on all the derogatory comments made by politicians regarding cadillac helicopters, the F35, the airbuses originally with Mulroney. I reiterate they have to start by presenting a united front on the need so it becomes separate from party politics. and I apologize for repeating myself

 

[Kirkhill]

And I would argue that they have lost their influence over the last 15-20 years.

Persuasion matters when you stick to the facts and don’t veer into hackdom.

Lloyd stuck his head up, along with Allan Rock, just recently, advising that we ignore this DJT 2% nonsense.

They influenced a bunch of people who are now teachers and politicians and who lean heavily in the pacifist direction.

There used to be a strong correlation between the United Church and the NDP. That was in the days when they supported Zionism and building new Jerusalems.

 

[OldSolduer]

Agree with that but most Canadians don’t like defence spending . Elbows up!!!

I’ll qualify that with when they need rescuing they love the CAF

 

[RangerRay]

Lloyd stuck his head up, along with Allan Rock, just recently, advising that we ignore this DJT 2% nonsense.

They influenced a bunch of people who are now teachers and politicians and who lean heavily in the pacifist direction.

There used to be a strong correlation between the United Church and the NDP. That was in the days when they supported Zionism and building new Jerusalems.

And for the most part, everyone said “Lloyd Who?”

He got one day of news coverage and was promptly forgotten about. When was the last time anyone heard from the Raging Grannies?

 

[Czech_pivo]

And for the most part, everyone said “Lloyd Who?”

He got one day of news coverage and was promptly forgotten about. When was the last time anyone heard from the Raging Grannies?

I think that they may have moved on....

 

[Kirkhill]

And for the most part, everyone said “Lloyd Who?”

He got one day of news coverage and was promptly forgotten about. When was the last time anyone heard from the Raging Grannies?

My point is not that Lloyd and Allan are personally relevant today. The point is that the constituency that they represented, and the school of thought of that constituency, is now very much part of mainstream Canadian culture.

 

[KevinB]

My point is not that Lloyd and Allan are personally relevant today. The point is that the constituency that they represented, and the school of thought of that constituency, is now very much part of mainstream Canadian culture.

Or is it? Perhaps their constituents moved on as well.

 

[Kirkhill]

Or is it? Perhaps their constituents moved on as well.

You wouldn't know it from my circle of acquaintances.
I understand that some of them even actively detest Trump.