The War in Ukraine

[brihard]

SPGs also hold their ammo so much more fragile

I believe it. I’m no gunologist, but it seems like in a drone-plagued stable-FEBA environment, towed guns are more survivable, more attritable, and more replaceable.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I believe it. I’m no gunologist, but it seems like in a drone-plagued stable-FEBA environment, towed guns are more survivable, more attritable, and more replaceable.

It seems counterintuitive that towed guns have a higher survivability.

 

[brihard]

It seems counterintuitive that towed guns have a higher survivability.

If drones are specifically hunting mechanized kit, and if SPGs are easier to spot and identify than towed guns and are seen as more worthy of hitting, then I can see it versus just another gun towed by a ten ton truck. And that truck is way cheaper and easier to built and replace than an SPG.

I had little difficulty imagining an FPV drone splattering itself into a gun crew, harming the crew, but doing relatively little physical damage to the actual gun, and a replacement crew can pick it up and keep going.

 

[MilEME09]

It seems counterintuitive that towed guns have a higher survivability.

Most spgs are killed from their thermal signature, towed guns are easier to disrupt that

 

[Czech_pivo]

Most spgs are killed from their thermal signature, towed guns are easier to disrupt that

I wonder how feasible something similar to chaff on a SPG, tanks, trucks, etc would be.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I believe it. I’m no gunologist, but it seems like in a drone-plagued stable-FEBA environment, towed guns are more survivable, more attritable, and more replaceable.

Early on towed guns suffered, mainly as events moved quickly, camouflage, digging in and dispersion were not well done. SPG ruled then. The lesson is you need both and know how and when to use them.

 

[MilEME09]

Early on towed guns suffered, mainly as events moved quickly, camouflage, digging in and dispersion were not well done. SPG ruled then. The lesson is you need both and know how and when to use them.

I sense the newly revised field fortification PAM is already being rewritten

 

[Kirkhill]

I sense the newly revised field fortification PAM is already being rewritten

A ramp into a basement and you have a gun firing from cover with overhead protection and camouflage.

 

[MilEME09]

A ramp into a basement and you have a gun firing from cover with overhead protection and camouflage.

But where do you put the sauna and kitchen?

 

[daftandbarmy]

Early on towed guns suffered, mainly as events moved quickly, camouflage, digging in and dispersion were not well done. SPG ruled then. The lesson is you need both and know how and when to use them.

What's old is new again: dig to survive....

Dug In and Camouflaged, Russian Artillery Is 'Quite Hard to Destroy'​

On a drone-patrolled battlefield, mobile guns are much more vulnerable than buried ones are​

The Russian artillery corps learned a hard lesson as Ukrainian drones and artillery knocked out more than 900 of Russia’s self-propelled howitzers in the first 39 months of Russia’s wider war on Ukraine.

That’s nearly half the SPHs the Russian land forces had in active service before Russia’s wider war on Ukraine kicked off in February 2022.

Russian gunners may have learned by now that, on a battlefield teaming with tiny drones, hidden guns are much more survivable than mobile guns are.

Dug In and Camouflaged, Russian Artillery Is 'Quite Hard to Destroy'

On a drone-patrolled battlefield, mobile guns are much more vulnerable than buried ones are

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[The Bread Guy]

But where do you put the sauna and kitchen?

The Finns would know ....