Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)

[ArmyRick]

I think PP would be wise to keep some policy distance between himself and Trump. But will Trump come out in support of him? That will definitely not be helpful.

I don't think it will hurt Pierre at all. He completely neutralized the Liberals attempt to associate him with Alex Jones. He turned their smear attempts into a big nothing burger. The more desperate the attacks Trudeau does, the more Canadians are clearing seeing it.

 

[Haggis]

I don't think it will hurt Pierre at all. He completely neutralized the Liberals attempt to associate him with Alex Jones. He turned their smear attempts into a big nothing burger. The more desperate the attacks Trudeau does, the more Canadians are clearing seeing it.

I hope you're right. The wife has said no more gun purchases until the Liberals are gone. So far I'm still allowed to buy ammo and parts. But Poly and the Coalition for Gun Confiscation have turned up the pressure on Trudeau to "get on with it, NOW!", likely trying to capitalize on the Trump shooting with a black rifle.

 

[The Bread Guy]

… He completely neutralized the Liberals attempt to associate him with Alex Jones. He turned their smear attempts into a big nothing burger …

One thing being disassociated with a way-outside-the-lines talk radio guy (to be kind), versus distancing from a world leader & leader of Canada’s biggest trading partner that PP will have to deal with seriously if Team Blue wins.

The more desperate the attacks Trudeau does, the more Canadians are clearing seeing it.

I agree & I hope more will see it long enough to keep seeing it at the polling stations.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I hope you're right. The wife has said no more gun purchases until the Liberals are gone. So far I'm still allowed to buy ammo and parts. But Poly and the Coalition for Gun Confiscation have turned up the pressure on Trudeau to "get on with it, NOW!", likely trying to capitalize on the Trump shooting with a black rifle.

I'm waiting things out right now as well. But I am in the market for a Martini Enfield, which I don't expect is on anyone's ban list, yet.

 

[CBH99]

I've been reading up on the last few pages of this thread, re Trump being good or bad for Canada, and the kind of impact associating Trump and the CPC together would have...

Whether Trump is good for us or not, I have no idea. I don't remember life being terrible for us while he was in office...

Now having PP associated with Trump? I'm guessing the same people that tend to not like Trump or Trump's policies probably won't be huge supporters of the CPC either...so if one can convincingly argue PP is like Trump, it may cost him the votes of Trump haters




With Pierre, people think they know what they are going to get. They aren't sure, and for now they can't be, but they are hopeful he will be the kind of leader he sounds like he'll be...

With Justin, we are all well aware of his intentions & how well things are going. And none of it is going good.

 

[Remius]

I've been reading up on the last few pages of this thread, re Trump being good or bad for Canada, and the kind of impact associating Trump and the CPC together would have...

Whether Trump is good for us or not, I have no idea. I don't remember life being terrible for us while he was in office...

The irony of that is that Trudeau was PM that whole time. His detractors will say life was in fact terrible.

Now having PP associated with Trump? I'm guessing the same people that tend to not like Trump or Trump's policies probably won't be huge supporters of the CPC either...so if one can convincingly argue PP is like Trump, it may cost him the votes of Trump haters

Canadians generally can see the difference between Trump and PP. The comparison isn’t really accurate or fair though. I find that people who are either polarized or so loyal to a party regardless of anything else (like policies etc) are generally the ones that associate our parties to theirs. Case in point is that the Democrats are pretty much ideologically aligned with the CPC. Yet “Liberals” here will prefer the Dems and the “Conservatives” here will hate them.

But Canadians can be spooked by what happens south of us and fearing it might creep here. It isn’t t’en a trump haters per se but the undecided and moderate that will vote one way or another if spooked enough.

With Pierre, people think they know what they are going to get. They aren't sure, and for now they can't be, but they are hopeful he will be the kind of leader he sounds like he'll be...

They can only go off his record or lack thereof. It is a change election and most people want Trudeau changed. They aren’t sure of Poilievre, yes, but Poilievre is riding high because people are tired of Trudeau. PPs personal approval numbers (not stellar) are showing that.

With Justin, we are all well aware of his intentions & how well things are going. And none of it is going good.

And that is why he needs to go. If he stays on, the CPC is certain to win. The question will be by how much.

Latest 338 polling seems to be showing a trend line that I think won’t change much as long as JT stays on. Meaning the LPC will probably end up with 70ish seats give or take.

 

[dimsum]

The irony of that is that Trudeau was PM that whole time. His detractors will say life was in fact terrible.

Canadians generally can see the difference between Trump and PP. The comparison isn’t really accurate or fair though. I find that people who are either polarized or so loyal to a party regardless of anything else (like policies etc) are generally the ones that associate our parties to theirs. Case in point is that the Democrats are pretty much ideologically aligned with the CPC. Yet “Liberals” here will prefer the Dems and the “Conservatives” here will hate them.

But Canadians can be spooked by what happens south of us and fearing it might creep here. It isn’t t’en a trump haters per se but the undecided and moderate that will vote one way or another if spooked enough.

They can only go off his record or lack thereof. It is a change election and most people want Trudeau changed. They aren’t sure of Poilievre, yes, but Poilievre is riding high because people are tired of Trudeau. PPs personal approval numbers (not stellar) are showing that.


And that is why he needs to go. If he stays on, the CPC is certain to win. The question will be by how much.

Latest 338 polling seems to be showing a trend line that I think won’t change much as long as JT stays on. Meaning the LPC will probably end up with 70ish seats give or take.

Biden leaving and the GOP currently scrambling for attack ads again Harris is pretty much exactly what I expected would happen if JT did the same.

As I’ve mentioned a few times here, aside from his close family and friends, PP is JT’s biggest fan because they can laser-focus on him.

 

[Eaglelord17]

I'm waiting things out right now as well. But I am in the market for a Martini Enfield, which I don't expect is on anyone's ban list, yet.

Why would anyone need that weapon of war? Think of the children

 

[Halifax Tar]

Why would anyone need that weapon of war? Think of the children

I have this weird thing for wood and iron.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I'm waiting things out right now as well. But I am in the market for a Martini Enfield, which I don't expect is on anyone's ban list, yet.

Good luck finding a Martini in .303 British. I finally found one for my collection, but it wasn't easy and took years. Converting a 577/450 to 303 is not complicated, but finding that .303 extractor is the tough part.

I have a MH in.577/450, a MH in 45/70, a ME in .303 and a BSA Martini Centurion target rifle in .22 LR. I've been looking for a Martini Greener shotgun, if anyone has a lead.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Good luck finding a Martini in .303 British. I finally found one for my collection, but it wasn't easy and took years. Converting a 577/450 to 303 is not complicated, but finding that .303 extractor is the tough part.

I have a MH in.577/450, a MH in 45/70, a ME in .303 and a BSA Martini Centurion target rifle in .22 LR. I've been looking for a Martini Greener shotgun, if anyone has a lead.

Maybe get that .303 extractor scanned?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Maybe get that .303 extractor scanned?

That might be a good idea. Especially when you can 3D print metal now or cut it on a cnc machine.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

That might be a good idea. Especially when you can 3D print metal now or cut it on a cnc machine.

Yes, people with rare items should get the key pieces scanned, does not harm them and you can bring the scanner to them.

 

[Haggis]

Why would anyone need that weapon of war? Think of the children

I do think of the children. Firearms have been a part of my family heritage on both sides for at least five generations. Having some trust fund baby take that away for cheap political points with no compensation is robbing my family of it's history and it's wealth.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Good luck finding a Martini in .303 British. I finally found one for my collection, but it wasn't easy and took years. Converting a 577/450 to 303 is not complicated, but finding that .303 extractor is the tough part.

I have a MH in.577/450, a MH in 45/70, a ME in .303 and a BSA Martini Centurion target rifle in .22 LR. I've been looking for a Martini Greener shotgun, if anyone has a lead.

There are usually 1 or 2 on Gun Post. But their quality can be dubious. There is a Khyber Pass copy up right now. I have seen a few Greener's go by on there as well. Search Martini.

I actually have one, but I need to get it reamed. Thinking of switching out the barrel. I fellow I go has one in .270. That might be a fun little toy.

 

[Good2Golf]

Trudeau/Freeland portraying the .25% interest rate drop as a clear sign Canada’s economy is ‘strong’ (other than unemployment increasing to 6.4% overall and 11%+ in the 20-24yr old bracket, and per capita GDP dropping…)

Opinion: The Trudeau Liberals’ upside-down view of the economy — The Globe and Mail

Unemployment is surging, especially among younger Canadians. Average household consumption is falling. So why are the Liberals bragging?

apple.news

 

[CBH99]

Trudeau/Freeland portraying the .25% interest rate drop as a clear sign Canada’s economy is ‘strong’ (other than unemployment increasing to 6.4% overall and 11%+ in the 20-24yr old bracket, and per capita GDP dropping…)

Opinion: The Trudeau Liberals’ upside-down view of the economy — The Globe and Mail

Unemployment is surging, especially among younger Canadians. Average household consumption is falling. So why are the Liberals bragging?

apple.news

At this point, I think they continue the charade simply because...

a) There is an election coming up in just over a year & they think Canadians still believe the news they hear is true

(sadly, I know a few people - even in my own family - that take the news at face value and are incredibly slow to realize when it's just blatantly wrong...)


b) they are so out of touch with reality, and have surrounded themselves with so many "yes people" that they are only provided with information that confirms the bias that things are going great, while negative information is either withheld or minimized when staff brief the senior beaurucrats


c) they are well aware of the dumpster fire they've created, and just trolling the public when telling us how great everything is - knowing full well that we know full well that it isn't


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When you have an entire economy based on our abundance of natural resources, and one essentially says that they won't be approving many permits at all to industries based on those natural resources...it doesn't take a real genius to figure out that as those thousands of jobs dry up, all of the families that relied on those jobs will be worse off.

And then let's add a massive population growth (several million in just a few years) and THEN let's add all of those temporary foreign workers to come in and work for less than what they'd have to pay Canadians. And then let's add a bunch of taxes so we can basically leave people 'just enough' to kind of survive, but not enough to really thrive...


Regardless of what one reads from almost any media source, it doesn't take much brainpower to recognize that things won't be going that well - the fact that there are people out there who still somehow believe we're doing better than almost anybody else in the G7 is embarrassing/frustrating.

(Captain Picard facepalm type of frustrating)

 

[Eaglelord17]

I just read a local news article talking about how Ontario’s nurse per capita has dropped. All the regular comments were blaming Ford (which I do believe a large part of the issue is successive government mismanagement for decades), but one pointed comment was that since the population increased 1m in Ontario in two years, of course the per capita decreased. Normally Ontario takes in 100-150k a year, so growth of 8-10 years in a two year span really isn’t sustainable.

We really need to cut immigration today, for at least a few years (other than very specific actual skilled positions), as recently not only have we been taking in too many immigrants for our system to absorb effectively, but it is generally not particularly skilled immigrants who we are bringing in (thanks to the schooling loophole).

This is strongly effecting the job market at the lower level and eroding our workers rights as many employers have no qualms about exploiting such labour and most those immigrants are too afraid to say/do anything about it.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Trudeau/Freeland portraying the .25% interest rate drop as a clear sign Canada’s economy is ‘strong’ (other than unemployment increasing to 6.4% overall and 11%+ in the 20-24yr old bracket, and per capita GDP dropping…)

Opinion: The Trudeau Liberals’ upside-down view of the economy — The Globe and Mail

Unemployment is surging, especially among younger Canadians. Average household consumption is falling. So why are the Liberals bragging?

apple.news

Part of me wonders is the BoC is actually as independent as we thought. I've been deployed since June, but I wasn't noticing a big change in my cost of living.

I have to wonder there isn't some LPC BoC shenanigans going on.

At this point, I think they continue the charade simply because...

a) There is an election coming up in just over a year & they think Canadians still believe the news they hear is true

(sadly, I know a few people - even in my own family - that take the news at face value and are incredibly slow to realize when it's just blatantly wrong...)


b) they are so out of touch with reality, and have surrounded themselves with so many "yes people" that they are only provided with information that confirms the bias that things are going great, while negative information is either withheld or minimized when staff brief the senior beaurucrats


c) they are well aware of the dumpster fire they've created, and just trolling the public when telling us how great everything is - knowing full well that we know full well that it isn't


__________________________________________


When you have an entire economy based on our abundance of natural resources, and one essentially says that they won't be approving many permits at all to industries based on those natural resources...it doesn't take a real genius to figure out that as those thousands of jobs dry up, all of the families that relied on those jobs will be worse off.

And then let's add a massive population growth (several million in just a few years) and THEN let's add all of those temporary foreign workers to come in and work for less than what they'd have to pay Canadians. And then let's add a bunch of taxes so we can basically leave people 'just enough' to kind of survive, but not enough to really thrive...


Regardless of what one reads from almost any media source, it doesn't take much brainpower to recognize that things won't be going that well - the fact that there are people out there who still somehow believe we're doing better than almost anybody else in the G7 is embarrassing/frustrating.

(Captain Picard facepalm type of frustrating)

In defense of the LPC the CPC made the interest rate an issue. So lower the interest rate, et voila, you take that attack route away.

Which again makes my Spidey senses tingle, about the independence of the BoC.

Lower the rates until the election, lose it and then et voila again they need to go back up. Hey PP how do you like them apples ?

Politics, its a dirty f-ing game.

 

[Rifleman62]

338 Canada 28 Jul 24