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Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)

Eaglelord17 said:
I just read a local news article talking about how Ontario’s nurse per capita has dropped. All the regular comments were blaming Ford (which I do believe a large part of the issue is successive government mismanagement for decades), but one pointed comment was that since the population increased 1m in Ontario in two years, of course the per capita decreased. Normally Ontario takes in 100-150k a year, so growth of 8-10 years in a two year span really isn’t sustainable.

We really need to cut immigration today, for at least a few years (other than very specific actual skilled positions), as recently not only have we been taking in too many immigrants for our system to absorb effectively, but it is generally not particularly skilled immigrants who we are bringing in (thanks to the schooling loophole).

This is strongly effecting the job market at the lower level and eroding our workers rights as many employers have no qualms about exploiting such labour and most those immigrants are too afraid to say/do anything about it.
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The unvaccinated medical staff will be allowed back to work in BC since Dr. Bonny made her announcement this week. It will be interesting to see what that might do to the levels of service, if anything...

bc.ctvnews.ca

B.C.'s top doctor ends four-year COVID-19 public health emergency

After four years of mask mandates, gathering restrictions, vaccinations and hospitalizations, British Columbia’s provincial health officer has ended the province's public-health emergency for COVID-19.
bc.ctvnews.ca bc.ctvnews.ca

nationalpost.com

Amy Hamm: Bonnie Henry's pointless vaccine mandate crashed B.C.'s health-care system

She's only lifting it now that the Conservatives are the rise
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Halifax Tar said:
Part of me wonders is the BoC is actually as independent as we thought. I've been deployed since June, but I wasn't noticing a big change in my cost of living.
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Independent doesn’t mean unaffected by GoC policies and budgets, though. It isn’t really a question, the relationship between interest rates and inflation, so there will necessarily be some relation…but that leads us to this…v

Halifax Tar said:
In defense of the LPC the CPC made the interest rate an issue. So lower the interest rate, et voila, you take that attack route away.
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The CPC’s issue of interest rate was related to the CPC’s position that the LPC mindset of deficit funding for its aspirational nirvana plan has a direct causal effect on bond issue to finance the successive large deficits which in turn affects the supply of money which in turn directly impacts inflation, for which one of the few tools at the BoC’s disposal is control of the prime lending rate…the loop. Prior to 2015, Canada’s federal debt alone was in the mid-100s of billions…it’s now pushing 1.4-1.5 TRILLION dollars. This “isn’t not” the LPC’s doing…Trudeau & Co. have been in power for approaching a TENTH OF A CENTURY…
 
Meanwhile, denial is always a good tactic these days ;)

After Trudeau challenges reliability of poll numbers, pollsters respond | Power & Politics​

Abacus Data's David Coletto and the Angus Reid Institute's Shachi Kurl say while polls are snapshots in time, a series of snapshots can reveal how the electorate is feeling about parties and leaders. The comments come after Trudeau says Canadians are ‘not in decision mode’ right now, while facing poor poll numbers.

 
daftandbarmy said:
Meanwhile, denial is always a good tactic these days ;)

After Trudeau challenges reliability of poll numbers, pollsters respond | Power & Politics​

Abacus Data's David Coletto and the Angus Reid Institute's Shachi Kurl say while polls are snapshots in time, a series of snapshots can reveal how the electorate is feeling about parties and leaders. The comments come after Trudeau says Canadians are ‘not in decision mode’ right now, while facing poor poll numbers.

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Oh, I disagree. I think Canadians are/have decided…
 
daftandbarmy said:
Meanwhile, denial is always a good tactic these days ;)

After Trudeau challenges reliability of poll numbers, pollsters respond | Power & Politics ...​

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Political playbook tactic #527: Blame the messengers LOL!
SeaKingTacco said:
Oh, I disagree. I think Canadians are/have decided…
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Well, from a spin point of view, they're no longer in decision mode, right? #MoarLoserSpin
 
Remius said:
People will challenge any polling that doesn’t suit how they are feeling. The same people will use polling to support how they feel.

Happens here all the time lol.
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Then will also say that polls don’t reflect reality.

And yes - I am a big proponent of that line of thinking.
 
Halifax Tar said:
Part of me wonders is the BoC is actually as independent as we thought. I've been deployed since June, but I wasn't noticing a big change in my cost of living.

I have to wonder there isn't some LPC BoC shenanigans going on.



In defense of the LPC the CPC made the interest rate an issue. So lower the interest rate, et voila, you take that attack route away.

Which again makes my Spidey senses tingle, about the independence of the BoC.

Lower the rates until the election, lose it and then et voila again they need to go back up. Hey PP how do you like them apples ?

Politics, its a dirty f-ing game.
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It really is...

My little naive mind had no idea just how dirty politics could get here in Canada.

After seeing how Trudeau has stacked the Senate with his own personal appointees to continue to damage the country even after he's gone or another party takes over, it shouldn't surprise us in the least if he's somehow cooked something up with the BoC to do something similar...

A dirty f**king game indeed, with some genuinely evil people as some of the players.




My question these days is to what end?

What is the final product supposed to look like, that we've spent so much money trying to accomplish or build?
 
CBH99 said:
It really is...

My little naive mind had no idea just how dirty politics could get here in Canada.

After seeing how Trudeau has stacked the Senate with his own personal appointees to continue to damage the country even after he's gone or another party takes over, it shouldn't surprise us in the least if he's somehow cooked something up with the BoC to do something similar...

A dirty f**king game indeed, with some genuinely evil people as some of the players.




My question these days is to what end?

What is the final product supposed to look like, that we've spent so much money trying to accomplish or build?
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It seems to me its about beating the other parties now, not governing the country.
 
CBH99 said:
It really is...

My little naive mind had no idea just how dirty politics could get here in Canada.

After seeing how Trudeau has stacked the Senate with his own personal appointees to continue to damage the country even after he's gone or another party takes over, it shouldn't surprise us in the least if he's somehow cooked something up with the BoC to do something similar...

A dirty f**king game indeed, with some genuinely evil people as some of the players.




My question these days is to what end?

What is the final product supposed to look like, that we've spent so much money trying to accomplish or build?
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I blame Harper for that.

When the SC kiboshed his plans to appoint only elected senators, instead of filling the vacancies with Tories, he did diddly squat, thinking that would learn the provinces for not cooperating. Problem with that plan, the provinces didn’t care about the Senate. Instead, Trudeau was more than happy to fill every senate vacancy with “not-Liberals”.
 
RangerRay said:
I blame Harper for that.

When the SC kiboshed his plans to appoint only elected senators, instead of filling the vacancies with Tories, he did diddly squat, thinking that would learn the provinces for not cooperating. Problem with that plan, the provinces didn’t care about the Senate. Instead, Trudeau was more than happy to fill every senate vacancy with “not-Liberals”.
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Actually JT the wise kicked all LPC senators out of caucus but we still know who they bat for
 
dimsum said:
waves hand around world
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It's sad.

And while I know political parties on both ends of the spectrum can be pretty shady to varying degrees, it's sad that it ultimately boils down to simply 'beating the other guy' - or winning foe the sake of winning

I don't support political extremism or radicalism on either side of the spectrum - which ironically despite being at polar opposite ends of the political spectrum, are identical to each other. (Supporting or condoning violence against people who have a different perspective of the same issues...pretty hard to support the extremes at either end)

And maybe I'm wrong, but I do see the right-wing parties focused a lot more on fixing the issues for the benefit of the country, rather than the left wing parties wanting to keep doing the very things that are causing the problems in the first place



But, alas, politics is a dirty f**king game...
 
CBH99 said:
And maybe I'm wrong, but I do see the right-wing parties focused a lot more on fixing the issues for the benefit of the country, rather than the left wing parties wanting to keep doing the very things that are causing the problems in the first place
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What have they said though?

Even in this forum, whenever someone asks “so what does the CPC plan on doing to fix the problem”, the response is “well the writ hasn’t dropped so why would the CPC show its cards?” So what evidence is there for any focus other than “Trudeau’s policies bad”?

Or if it’s in the CPC platform from last election, like the promise to spend more on Defence in their own documents, Poilievre won’t commit to the 2% GDP.
 
CBH99 said:
It's sad.

And while I know political parties on both ends of the spectrum can be pretty shady to varying degrees, it's sad that it ultimately boils down to simply 'beating the other guy' - or winning foe the sake of winning

I don't support political extremism or radicalism on either side of the spectrum - which ironically despite being at polar opposite ends of the political spectrum, are identical to each other. (Supporting or condoning violence against people who have a different perspective of the same issues...pretty hard to support the extremes at either end)

And maybe I'm wrong, but I do see the right-wing parties focused a lot more on fixing the issues for the benefit of the country, rather than the left wing parties wanting to keep doing the very things that are causing the problems in the first place



But, alas, politics is a dirty f**king game...
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The people have become distracted by bread an circuses. They people and their inattention have let this happen. The people are the only ones who can correct it.

dimsum said:
What have they said though?

Even in this forum, whenever someone asks “so what does the CPC plan on doing to fix the problem”, the response is “well the writ hasn’t dropped so why would the CPC show its cards?” So what evidence is there for any focus other than “Trudeau’s policies bad”?

Or if it’s in the CPC platform from last election, like the promise to spend more on Defence in their own documents, Poilievre won’t commit to the 2% GDP.
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Have you seen this ?


While not a "policy", so to speak, its a pretty good approximation.

Also PP says lots of policy stuff:
www.conservative.ca

News - Conservative Party of Canada

www.conservative.ca www.conservative.ca
 
Halifax Tar said:
I'm waiting things out right now as well. But I am in the market for a Martini Enfield, which I don't expect is on anyone's ban list, yet.
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Having finally gotten off my ass to get licensed (having just made use of what's on the farm all my life) the itch to accumulate has taken hold. Apparently the family Canuck is coming to live with me, and I further tried to stave off the itch with the boring, functional, 500 12 ga with 28" VR and 24" rifled w/ cantilever to cover all my bases- but can't seem to get away from the daily Intersurplus/Epps/Gun Post scroll through. Current debate is between stepping up for the post covid price on a VG or Mint 94 or 336 in .30-30, or the budget Fudd play of a baikal sxs + sporter enfield in .303 What would end the debate is a reasonably priced Enfield No. 5 in good shape
 
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