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Trump administration 2024-2028

Jarnhamar said:
When your children have emotional control issues you also don't bring them out in public and trigger then on purpose.

And if you do, or in the case of Fords ads, you get to suffer the consequences.
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Agee, but in terms of the analogy we're creating, I agree with the first part, but not the second part.

Could the Ford gov. have anticipated this knowing Trump would react this way (because he has known issues)? Quite possibly. But, did they do this specifically to trigger this kind of reaction? I don't believe so.
 
Jarnhamar said:
When your children have emotional control issues you also don't bring them out in public and trigger then on purpose.

And if you do, or in the case of Fords ads, you get to suffer the consequences.
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If we were engaged with a rational actor, that would make sense.

I am unconvinced that Trump wants a deal at all, he wants to be free to dictate terms on a whim.
 
Furniture said:
If we were engaged with a rational actor, that would make sense.

I am unconvinced that Trump wants a deal at all, he wants to be free to dictate terms on a whim.
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It will be interesting to see if he and Carney meet quietly together and hammer out a deal.
Otherwise I see nothing moving forward until AFTER the US Supreme Court rules on the tariffs.
 
The other thing is that apparently Trump brushed this off earlier this when he saw it originally. Even going so far as to say he’d do the same.

So either there is more to this or he really is in cognitive decline.
 
Lumber said:
But, did they do this specifically to trigger this kind of reaction? I don't believe so.
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For the sake of debate lets say that the Doug Ford government is familiar with Trump's personality.

What could the Ford government expect to achieve by spending $75M on this campaign? Half the US already hates Trump and the other half are ready to invade any country he tells them to. As RangerRay mentions, it does seem like Congress has basically capitulated its power and is allowing the executive to do what it wants.
The ads are not going to suddenly illuminate the US supreme court. Trump and team have already failed to comply with some US supreme court decisions.


I re-watched the ads and yup, they hit the nail on the head. I still don't see the point of spending millions of dollars on them. I don't see what the practical value is other then getting Trump to respond exactly how you would expect him to respond.
 
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I've tried finding the current trade tiff on Fox News's website and I can't find it. Its almost like Fox News doesn't want to show Reagan saying tariffs are bad.

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Jarnhamar said:
For the sake of debate lets say that the Doug Ford government is familiar with Trump's personality.

What could the Ford government expect to achieve by spending $75M on this campaign? Half the US already hates Trump and the other half are ready to invade any country he tells them to. As RangerRay mentions, it does seem like Congress has basically capitulated its power and is allowing the executive to do what it wants.
The ads are not going to suddenly illuminate the US supreme court. Trump and team have already failed to comply with some US supreme court decisions.


I re-watched the ads and yup, they hit the nail on the head. I still don't see the point of spending millions of dollars on them. I don't see what the practical value is other then getting Trump to respond exactly how you would expect him to respond.
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As has been said, it's influence ops. The goal is to reach honest conservatives in the states who respected Raegan, or at least understand that he was a respected conservative, and let him be the authority that says that Tariffs are bad (because lets face it, it doesn't matter how much data you bring to the table, Republican supporters will not believe anything a Democrat says). The goal is to influence them into putting more pressure on their local/state representatives to in turn put pressure on the Congress/the WH.

Sending Trump spiraling is just gravy.
 
So, Trump is a genius. Have you guys been following the East Wing demolition/Ball Room construction?

Trump said that HE is going to pay for it. It's going to cost around $230mil. Where's that money coming from?

Well, Trump's lawyers are suing the DOJ for all the cost and suffering he experienced with all the cases brought against him. How much is he suing for? Around $230 mil.

But who signs off on that payment if the lawsuit is successful? None other than DJT himself. When asked by the press what he'd do with the money and whether he thought it was wrong for him to sign off on a decision that would mean money going to him, he said something like "I'll donate it to a charity, or maybe to the white house."

So he's going to sue his own government to pay himself $230 million in order to pay for the construction of his new ballroom.

Fucking, diabolical.
 
Remius said:
The other thing is that apparently Trump brushed this off earlier this when he saw it originally. Even going so far as to say he’d do the same.

So either there is more to this or he really is in cognitive decline.
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Actually some good reporting out of CBC on air this morning. Apparently there is a lot more to this, in the sense the US is “frustrated” and again allegations of bad faith negotiating for domestic Canadian politics. And, some consideration as to whether Canada is attempting to influence legal appeals in the US court systems taken up by other affected parties (not just our own appeals).

Trump does make reference 3 times to interference in the US courts by Canada. It’s one thing to go into court and fund your own appeals for your own issues, it’s quite another to indirectly fund or assist or support a third party concerning matters of US Constitutional law (if that’s what’s really happening.)

I think it would very prudent of the Canadian government to take the advice of the CSE and accept that notwithstanding treaties and diplomatic exclusions, Canadian government and other party communications are being monitored, there are USG human assets in the Canadian teams, and also certain financial transactions are well known to the USG. POTUS is certainly briefed regularly about Canada, There can be no doubt about that.
 
Lumber said:
So, Trump is a genius. Have you guys been following the East Wing demolition/Ball Room construction?

Trump said that HE is going to pay for it. It's going to cost around $230mil. Where's that money coming from?

Well, Trump's lawyers are suing the DOJ for all the cost and suffering he experienced with all the cases brought against him. How much is he suing for? Around $230 mil.

But who signs off on that payment if the lawsuit is successful? None other than DJT himself. When asked by the press what he'd do with the money and whether he thought it was wrong for him to sign off on a decision that would mean money going to him, he said something like "I'll donate it to a charity, or maybe to the white house."

So he's going to sue his own government to pay himself $230 million in order to pay for the construction of his new ballroom.

Fucking, diabolical.
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nice ballroom you’ve got there. It would be a shame if it burned down again….
 
Czech_pivo said:
I can't help but wonder if Ford and Carney are working together on this.

I can't see that Ford didn't get the 'green light' from Carney to run the ads. They seem to be in constant conservations and are seeing each other on an almost weekly basis.

If Carney didn't want Ford to run these ads, and remember these ads started running 8 days ago, not yesterday, and Ford had already been talking about these ads 12-14 days earlier (and possibly much earlier than that as it takes time to find the ad agency, pitch the idea to the ad agency, have the ad agency prepare a handful of options, review all the options, most likely air the options to target audiences, obtain feedback from those audiences, tweak the ads based on the feedback, review and agree upon the final ad, at the same time your approaching the networks about timeslots and cost to run the ads, the networks will review the ads to ensure that it meets with criteria as acceptable and then the ads finally run), Carney would have told Ford to not run them.

These ads have been running/available for viewing the in the US for 7 days BEFORE Trump came out against them. Now, the DAY before the first game of the World Series - which will have viewing around the world - which has the ONLY Canadian team playing against the LA Dodgers (based in California, a place with a Democratic Governor that Trump hates) and these ads WILL BE AIRED during the game, Trump comes out loudly against them. Come on, Carney and Ford worked together on this and both teams (Carney and Ford) had to have gamed out the various scenarios that could happen if this ad went on the US networks.
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Carney has a difficult budget to pass, and now gets a sudden influx of Trump being unhinged towards Canada sucking up all the oxygen in the room?

I wonder if Trump and Carney work together more than we think, not just Carney and Ford.
 
Czech_pivo said:
I've tried finding the current trade tiff on Fox News's website and I can't find it. Its almost like Fox News doesn't want to show Reagan saying tariffs are bad.

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Just gotta hit the right BIT of the Fox info-machine :)
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Lumber said:
So, Trump is a genius. Have you guys been following the East Wing demolition/Ball Room construction?

Trump said that HE is going to pay for it. It's going to cost around $230mil. Where's that money coming from?

Well, Trump's lawyers are suing the DOJ for all the cost and suffering he experienced with all the cases brought against him. How much is he suing for? Around $230 mil.

But who signs off on that payment if the lawsuit is successful? None other than DJT himself. When asked by the press what he'd do with the money and whether he thought it was wrong for him to sign off on a decision that would mean money going to him, he said something like "I'll donate it to a charity, or maybe to the white house."

So he's going to sue his own government to pay himself $230 million in order to pay for the construction of his new ballroom.

Fucking, diabolical.
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Man, we're watching A-tier corruption here lmao.
 
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