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Ask all sorts of countries about soft power that suddenly becomes Mafia extortion, right?
For now. My worry is goalposts moving, so we’ll see how it unfolds.
U.S. Annexing Canada (split fm Liberal Minority thread)
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so what we have now?
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There's a case to be made that a lot of the facts of the case align, indeed.
#PickYourOppressor
Oh yeah, and I realize details need time to be developed. But with some observers saying a full-on push from the U.S. could cost millions of Canadian jobs & hit the GDP by about 2%, it'll be interesting to see what mitigation would look like.
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Just because we have an economically illiterate leader doesn’t mean the Americans can’t have one.
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It probably means we should stop being condescending and hypocritical about the whole thing.
We are in a damage control scenario now.
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It's only fair.
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A Transactional World -
A world of transactions. To get you must give. Also known as working for a living.
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nice little snippet of former PM Harper
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Screwed up , please delete.
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GK .Dundas
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I get the impression that Mr. Trump may not understand that concept as well as he claims.
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I think we might get some Team Blue clues from these:
Poilievre Calls For Expansion Of Canadian Energy Infrastructure To Be Free Of U.S. Tariffs On Energy
Canadian energy — including building LNG plants, pipelines, refineries, upgraders and other infrastructure — was front and centre on Thursday as Conservative Party Leader Pierre Poilievre held his first press conference since the resignation of Liberal Prime Minister Justin Trudeau earlier in...
www.dobenergy.com
Canada is ‘selling oil and gas at a massive price discount,’ Poilievre says | Watch News Videos Online
Watch Canada is ‘selling oil and gas at a massive price discount,’ Poilievre says Video Online, on GlobalNews.ca
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‘Great Deal’: Trudeau’s Conservative Rival Makes Energy Pitch to Trump
Since winning the US election, Donald Trump has taunted Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau by calling him governor of a 51st US state, threatened 25% tariffs, and vented that the US is getting ripped off by its northern neighbor because of a trade deficit.
www.bnnbloomberg.ca
Pierre Poilievre will push LNG, SMRs and continued oil production
Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre took some time to speak about energy during his keynote speech to the Conservative national policy convention in Quebec City on Sept. 8.In those comments, he spoke about natural liquefaction extensively, as well as small modular reactors, hydroelectricity...
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My take is that he wants to unlock the resources and get them to tide water to sell to the international market, keeping in mind that we already have one really good customer.
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He doesn't work. His money works for him.
I don’t even think it’s that.
Greenland, Panama, Canada. There is a very noticeable common thread. That’s what he’s after.
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Unpopular Opinion Alert:
People need to wake up and face the facts..... The World that our current leadership and the general public think we are operating in, no longer exists.
What is happening right now is 21st Century Imperialism. This was never a problem when the US was a global hegemonic power but now that it is waning in that regard, it is moving to secure its interests & its sphere of influence. America can no longer dominate the World but it can still secure its hemisphere which, given its separation, gives it competitive advantage.
As for Canada, we are a Vassal State that has existed & prospered under American benevolence & protection for the past 80+ years. That benevolence has ended and Canada has a choice to make. Canada & Canadians need to get on the same page as Team America.
People need to wake up and face the facts..... The World that our current leadership and the general public think we are operating in, no longer exists.
What is happening right now is 21st Century Imperialism. This was never a problem when the US was a global hegemonic power but now that it is waning in that regard, it is moving to secure its interests & its sphere of influence. America can no longer dominate the World but it can still secure its hemisphere which, given its separation, gives it competitive advantage.
As for Canada, we are a Vassal State that has existed & prospered under American benevolence & protection for the past 80+ years. That benevolence has ended and Canada has a choice to make. Canada & Canadians need to get on the same page as Team America.
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i think the -2% is optimistic. 1991ish was the last real recession and it did that by itself. We have a lot of problems all hitting the boiling point at the same time
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Did I call it or did I call it?
It wasn’t a negotiation tactic - he was going to do it all along.
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FIFY.
We’ve bought a lot of guns over the past 80 years that have enabled others butter, and we are over it.
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It is a negotiation tactic. Canada’s issue is solely that doesn’t understand what is being discussed at the adult table.
No shit they are coming, that is part of Trumpian negotiating. They are a death sentence to both parties, we are just so much larger that the poison kills you before us.
So Canada can course correct, or crumble.
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I think that I'll disagree with that. There has been neither benevolence nor protection by the US for the last 80 years. Effectively there has been disinterest on their part with the exception of a few mutual endeavours that we cooperated on. Our mutual geographic isolation from the rest of the world and our shared language and (for the most part) culture has left Canada and the US more in a symbiotic relationship rather than anything else.
Canada (by which I mean the Liberal Party) has used the US as a a bugbear for a long time by creating an attitude that Canadian culture is "not US." Essentially we started the "anti-" game long ago. For the most part Americans couldn't give a hoot about Canada one way or the other. And they still don't.
Trump is using Canada, like Mexico, like Greenland, like Panama, like NATO, like everything else, as strawmen to the reality that he has absolutely zero plan to fix what's really wrong inside his own country. As a result he's setting up targets which have no relation to the US's real security or real economic issues as smoke and mirrors diversions. Regrettably his baying mob will swallow it hook line and sinker.
We do not need to get on the same page as the MAGAs (I don't consider them Team America). We do, however, wake up to the reality of the real security and economic issues that face Canada. If we do that we may mollify the baying mob, but I doubt it. When you're a strawman, you'll never satisfy your adversary because he needs to keep you as a strawman.
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Part of me really wants to say “F it” and let both crumble. Throw some nukes in for kicks.
But apparently I’m not supposed to say that in public.
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