U.S. Annexing Canada (split fm Liberal Minority thread)

[JLB50]

Unpopular Opinion Alert:

People need to wake up and face the facts..... The World that our current leadership and the general public think we are operating in, no longer exists.

What is happening right now is 21st Century Imperialism. This was never a problem when the US was a global hegemonic power but now that it is waning in that regard, it is moving to secure its interests & its sphere of influence. America can no longer dominate the World but it can still secure its hemisphere which, given its separation, gives it competitive advantage.

As for Canada, we are a Vassal State that has existed & prospered under American benevolence & protection for the past 80+ years. That benevolence has ended and Canada has a choice to make. Canada & Canadians need to get on the same page as Team America.

Or not. I prefer…not.

 

[suffolkowner]

It is a negotiation tactic. Canada’s issue is solely that doesn’t understand what is being discussed at the adult table.

No shit they are coming, that is part of Trumpian negotiating. They are a death sentence to both parties, we are just so much larger that the poison kills you before us.

So Canada can course correct, or crumble.

maybe someone needs to tell Trump that? Or translate for him to our side cause we dont seem to be hearing correctly. I want to believe you but i see nothing to support it

 

[Kirkhill]

There's a case to be made that a lot of the facts of the case align, indeed.

#PickYourOppressor

Oh yeah, and I realize details need time to be developed. But with some observers saying a full-on push from the U.S. could cost millions of Canadian jobs & hit the GDP by about 2%, it'll be interesting to see what mitigation would look like.

So we are facing a 2% of GDP hit on our economy if we do nothing and get nothing for it, or we can spend 2% of GDP on defence (call it 3.5% (1.5+2)) and maintain access to the US?

 

[suffolkowner]

So we are facing a 2% of GDP hit on our economy if we do nothing and get nothing for it, or we can spend 2% of GDP on defence (call it 3.5% (1.5+2)) and maintain access to the US?

you got that in writing somewhere?
We're probably already looking at a hit before any tariffs just from contraction already

 

[Kirkhill]

Did I call it or did I call it?

It wasn’t a negotiation tactic - he was going to do it all along.

We are still in the weigh in. The match hasn't started.

 

[suffolkowner]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1878907139692847551

one of the many problems in addition to tariffs we have

 

[brihard]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1878907139692847551

one of the many problems in addition to tariffs we have

Good, we badly need a housing price correction.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Did I call it or did I call it?

It wasn’t a negotiation tactic - he was going to do it all along.

She did what any good Premier should do, she represented her people and their economic interests.

I don't fault her, she represents a province that actually has something to offer and wants the best for her people.

Maybe if we had national leader stirring us through this in a team Canada effort I could link with your position, but our governments selfish and self destructive ways have put us here. So good on Danielle Smith for representing her people and their situation.

 

[Remius]

She did what any good Premier should do, she represented her people and their economic interests.

Right and it got her nothing. When others go it’s to bend the knee, when she goes it’s all about representing…

I don't fault her, she represents a province that actually has something to offer and wants the best for her people.

The problem is throwing wrenches by handicapping the whole team.

Maybe if we had national leader stirring us through this in a team Canada effort I could link with your position, but our governments selfish and self destructive ways have put us here.

I don’t think it matters who is in charge. Trump is going to Trump. Again, he’s playing a bigger game. I mentioned it above. It has nothing to do with our border or our NATO spending (those are just the excuses he’s using).

So good on Danielle Smith for representing her people and their situation.

Looks like all it did is weaken our and her position.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Right and it got her nothing. When others go it’s to bend the knee, when she goes it’s all about representing…

Neither you or I know what came out of that.

The problem is throwing wrenches by handicapping the whole team.

The same team the takes AB wealth and then throws wrenches into their plans ?

I don’t think it matters who is in charge. Trump is going to Trump. Again, he’s playing a bigger game. I mentioned it above. It has nothing to do with our border or our NATO spending (those are just the excuses he’s using).

I guess we will have to wait and see.

Looks like all it did is weaken our and her position.

I don't think you or I know what it did. Who knows.

 

[Remius]

Neither you or I know what came out of that.

That wasn’t what I was saying. I point to the hypocrisy of one side going “bad” other side going “good”

The same team the takes AB wealth and then throws wrenches into their plans ?

This is Canada. Some people here have forgotten they are part of that.

I guess we will have to wait and see.

We will. The 20th is around the corner. I will be more than happy to be proven wrong. But again. Panama, Greenland and Canada. Three important parts of his plan. Those are the end game. Not our border and not our defence spending.

I don't think you or I know what it did. Who knows.

She telegraphed to Trump that if Canada tries to use energy (specifically oil) as a counter she’ll cause trouble here. Exactly what he wants. It was very publicly stated.

 

[suffolkowner]

Neither you or I know what came out of that.



The same team the takes AB wealth and then throws wrenches into their plans ?



I guess we will have to wait and see.



I don't think you or I know what it did. Who knows.

well we have her word and his

 

[Halifax Tar]

That wasn’t what I was saying. I point to the hypocrisy of one side going “bad” other side going “good”

Angle of view, eh ?

This is Canada. Some people here have forgotten they are part of that.

I would argue this is forgotten Canadians now standing up with a voice.

We will. The 20th is around the corner. I will be more than happy to be proven wrong. But again. Panama, Greenland and Canada. Three important parts of his plan. Those are the end game. Not our border and not our defence spending.

She telegraphed to Trump that if Canada tries to use energy (specifically oil) as a counter she’ll cause trouble here. Exactly what he wants. It was very publicly stated.

And if she does, I can't blame her.

 

[dimsum]

Angle of view, eh ?



I would argue this is forgotten Canadians now standing up with a voice.







And if she does, I can't blame her.

Given that most likely the CPC, which seems to represent the west more, will win the next election, which has to happen before end-October, AB striking out on its own is an…interesting choice.

If there was a shadow of a doubt that the CPC would win, maybe there is some reason for those opposed to the Federal Government to do that. It’s not a great justification, but it is one.

However, the party that purports to have the support of the AB “forgotten Canadians” is going strong. So why she didn’t just hold back until the CPC had their unified message is beyond me. Is she trying to angle AB as 51 and Canada as 52?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Given that most likely the CPC, which seems to represent the west more, will win the next election, which has to happen before end-October, AB striking out on its own is an…interesting choice.

If there was a shadow of a doubt that the CPC would win, maybe there is some reason for those opposed to the Federal Government to do that. It’s not a great justification, but it is one.

However, the party that purports to have the support of the AB “forgotten Canadians” is going strong. So why she didn’t just hold back until the CPC had their unified message is beyond me. Is she trying to angle AB as 51 and Canada as 52?

I think Smith is putting her people and their prosperousness first. And I can appreciate and respect that.

She can't sit around and wait for the Federal election to come and go. She's full on AB first and I can appreciate and respect that too.

 

[dimsum]

I think Smith is putting her people and their prosperousness first. And I can appreciate and respect that.

She can't sit around and wait for the Federal election to come and go. She's full on AB first and I can appreciate and respect that too.

Sure, except that the “provinces vs federal govt” split is more US-style, where a state has more power than a province does in our political construct.

So she can say whatever, but if she’s actually putting AB ahead of the rest of Canada, then it’s just a different way of saying “AB wants to secede”.

 

[Quirky]

You guys are questioning why someone from Alberta goes to Florida in the middle of winter? Common now.

Does DS golf?

 

[KevinB]

Sure, except that the “provinces vs federal govt” split is more US-style, where a state has more power than a province does in our political construct.

So she can say whatever, but if she’s actually putting AB ahead of the rest of Canada, then it’s just a different way of saying “AB wants to secede”.

We welcome our new brother and sisters from Alberta…

 

[Remius]

You guys are questioning why someone from Alberta goes to Florida in the middle of winter? Common now.

Does DS golf?

I don’t think anyone questioned that lol.

The only thing I will give anyone, is that if you can get an audience with POTUS you take it.

 

[mariomike]

We welcome our new brother and sisters from Alberta…

Take my sister, Please! < I kid.

Would Alberta be a territory, district or a state?

Alberta leads new poll on if Canada should become the 51st US state​

The national demographic breakdowns show there’s higher support among men, at 19%, compared with only 7% of women.

It might be attractive for minority rule enthusiasts.

The United States is the only democracy in the world where a presidential candidate can get the most popular votes - and still lose the election.

eg: California has 68 times as many people as Wyoming - but only 18 times as many electoral college votes. Both states get two senators.