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U.S. Annexing Canada (split fm Liberal Minority thread)
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I don’t think anyone is calling for that. Just highlights what and who we are dealing with. Ambassador says one thing, president says another.
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Hey I was 91% wrong about Trump. He's a mess.
I'm just talking about what I see in a few places when Trump gets mentioned. Especially the 51st state stuff. Here isn't bad.
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I doubt you are. All we get fed is media narrative related to anything and everything 47 does.
As an example somehow miraculously in the last few months Canada is now looking at achieving appropriate defense spending goals - a massive and historical increase. This didn't happen because the LPC suddenly thought it was the right thing to do or because Ukraine has been struggling with Russia (for 9 years!). This happened because of significant pressure that impacts everyday Canadians has finally come to bear on Canada along with frank conversations outside of the public purview.
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QV
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Somehow, if someone gets a compliment about their cooking after they've upped their game following bullying and harassment from their partner, they may not be all that likely to thank their abusive partner for said change
Its not abuse, it's tough love and the truth hurts. Our cooking was fucking atrocious and we acted like there was nothing wrong. Somebody had to DO something about it because we weren't going to do anything on our own. Canada is the spoiled only-child that just got kicked out of the parents basement at 36 years old.
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The less reliance on the US the better.
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Relying on Europe would not necessarily be an improvement - particularly with an ocean separating us from potential suppliers - which leaves relying on ourselves.
Politicians talk a lot about what they intend. "We're gonna", "we're gonna", "we're gonna". The same stuff gets recycled over and over in announcements and as answers to questions. The established media promulgate the messages and approximately never call politicians out on their shit by pointing out "you already said that", and insisting on direct answers as to what has actually been done. The result is that an impression of action being taken is created out of repeated statements of good intentions. Politicians must love that.
Imagine if media scrums could be like software development scrums, in which every participant is interrogated as to whether the previously committed tasks were completed and what the next committed tasks will be. Politicians would be made to look like lazy procrastinating indecisive fools at every turn. They would not love that. They might actually get some things done.
That's not going to happen, so Canada will continue to bask in the aspirational statements of its politicians while its major services decline. I expect continued repetition of "next Tuesday for sure". See where things are in 3 months, 6 months, a year.
As for annexation, that balloon keeps getting bumped back into the air mostly by TV personalities who won't stop talking about it, I suppose because they think it holds viewers' attention. It's amusing that one of our responses to an imagined threat to our sovereignty is to put our imported mostly ceremonial head of state on a stage to deliver some well-sounding phrases.
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Canada will also be reliant upon America.
It’s simple math of the size of America both as population and GDP (and Military power).
While our current administration is a fucking cluster, Europe isn’t exactly a reliable partner either.
Trump is going to keep twisting the annexation blade until Canada starting putting serious efforts into National Defense, and that isn’t solely related to budget
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This is a truth many are uncomfortable with.
Europe should be avoided for anything more than doing business. Let those folks solve their own problems. We've spilt enough blood over old world problems.
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Bang in re: not being able to abandon the US as a trade partner, but in the interests of better “trade nutrition,” so to speak, to also choose other food/trade groups,
Your feel is closer to the ground than mine, but I read the 51st state narrative as a shtick he likes to just throw out there because it wears down opponents/potential deal-red. If we doubled our military, my guess is he’d say “what a big, beautiful military we’d have together if you were the 51st state.”
The essence of my statement is “less reliance” not no reliance.
Europe is an untapped alternative source that can be a part of a more diversified trade and défense reality.
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There are also those of us who value a strong partnership with the Americans simply because we realize the potential this continent has. Potential that is unrealized IMO.
Energy, minerals & natural resources, unmatched military & technogical dominance:
Understood and understandable.There are also those of us who value a strong partnership with the Americans simply because we realize the potential this continent has. Potential that is unrealized IMO.
Energy, minerals & natural resources, unmatched military & technogical dominance:
The people to our south don’t seem to think so right now.
Free trade as we knew it is likely dead.
They have said they don’t need anything from us.
It’s nice to wish it wasn’t the case but the US is becoming isolationist and is withdrawing from the world order they created.
We need to adapt to that reality and see it fit the opportunity that it is.
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Free trade was never really free. I have a different take on the current relationship. The Yanks feel they are being taken advantage of and they are simply reasserting their dominance. I think their benevolence was taken advantage of by us and others.
Our new leader is saying the right things. We will see what actions are taken though:
Opinion | Canada's prime minister nailed his meeting with Trump. Now comes the hard part.
At the Oval Office meeting on Tuesday, some of Prime Minister Mark Carney’s more intangible qualities were on display.
www.msnbc.com
We had CUSMA. Now a manufactured crisis was used to violate that agreement. According to officials in this administration tarrifs are a new reality. So that isn’t a willingness for more integration.
That’s the line they are using. Feelings over facts. Are there examples of said benevolence? The US never did anything that didn’t align with their interests.
Monday we’ll see. Apparently some big announcements coming.Our new leader is saying the right things. We will see what actions are taken though:
Opinion | Canada's prime minister nailed his meeting with Trump. Now comes the hard part.
At the Oval Office meeting on Tuesday, some of Prime Minister Mark Carney’s more intangible qualities were on display.
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You have it backwards. Elbows up and we'll take our little ball to the EU (reduce F35, joining Re-armEU) is the feelings approach.
Get your house in order and reasonably fund defence (Re-armCAN) is the fact that needs to happen.
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I have seen too much over announcing and under delivering to get excited about renewed defence spending.
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