U.S. Annexing Canada (split fm Liberal Minority thread)

[daftandbarmy]

Meh, we don't tend to buy kit from our geopolitical rivals, China, Russia....

Unless you're from BC of course

Trades organization says Chinese contract for new ships ‘a stain on BC Ferries’ | Globalnews.ca

The BC Building Trades, which represents 45,000 unionized construction workers in the province, said it is 'deeply disappointed' to learn about the Crown corporation's decision.

globalnews.ca

 

[Czech_pivo]

Quebec would be making a play for itself before France ever would. And to what end?

France has never had territorial ambitions when it comes to QC.

France is more concerned with its own back yard.

Unlike Alberta separatism, Quebec separatists are looking to have their own country, not join another one.

More curiously, why would you be certain that they would make a move? What leads you to believe that?

For the raw resources.

For the ability for France to diversify where its Nuclear arsenal is located.

For its geo-political reach.

 

[Altair]

Unless you're from BC of course

Trades organization says Chinese contract for new ships ‘a stain on BC Ferries’ | Globalnews.ca

The BC Building Trades, which represents 45,000 unionized construction workers in the province, said it is 'deeply disappointed' to learn about the Crown corporation's decision.

globalnews.ca

I meant military kit, but point taken.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I meant military kit, but point taken.

On another level it's a big strategic issue for the West... no ship building capacity isn't great when you're trying to modernize a Navy.

 

[Altair]

On another level it's a big strategic issue for the West... no ship building capacity isn't great when you're trying to modernize a Navy.

We only buy stuff every 20-40 years, it's not a great business model.

Might make more sense for us to partner with others, like we did with the F35, but with more....reliable, partners. Probably in Europe. That way if we want the kit we can buy it but if we don't at least our industries don't atrophy.

 

[Remius]

For the raw resources.

Trade can achieve this far more effectively.

For the ability for France to diversify where its Nuclear arsenal is located.

France wants to expand its nuclear umbrella via Quebec? Is this a fact or are you making this up. Has France ever wanted to expand its nuclear umbrella to North America? Pretty sure they have nuclear missile subs anyways so a much more secure option rather than placing nukes on a territory full of insurgents not really appreciating their presence. France could control the whole territory even if wanted to.

For its geo-political reach.

All of that is achievable through trade. And all of that could be said for any country.

Is France doing this now or recently?

It could have at anytime but hasn’t. Nor has it made any overture.

Sorry but it’s a ridiculous theory with no basis. Not historically and not even geo politically.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Trade can achieve this far more effectively.

France wants to expand its nuclear umbrella via Quebec? Is this a fact or are you making this up. Has France ever wanted to expand its nuclear umbrella to North America? Pretty sure they have nuclear missile subs anyways so a much more secure option rather than placing nukes on a territory full of insurgents not really appreciating their presence. France could control the whole territory even if wanted to.

All of that is achievable through trade. And all of that could be said for any country.

Is France doing this now or recently?

It could have at anytime but hasn’t. Nor has it made any overture.

Sorry but it’s a ridiculous theory with no basis. Not historically and not even geo politically.

You have your opinion, congrats.

 

[Remius]

You have your opinion, congrats.

And you have yours. I just don’t think it’s based on anything beyond fantastical theories with no basis. Congrats.

If you have anything tangible to back up the assertion that France has or might have eyes on a territory it abandoned even before it was conquered centuries ago I’m all ears. There is no historical or geo political evidence to back your claim.

France does not have eyes on Quebec anymore than Spain wants California or England wants British Columbia.

 

[lenaitch]

Trade can achieve this far more effectively.

France wants to expand its nuclear umbrella via Quebec? Is this a fact or are you making this up. Has France ever wanted to expand its nuclear umbrella to North America? Pretty sure they have nuclear missile subs anyways so a much more secure option rather than placing nukes on a territory full of insurgents not really appreciating their presence. France could control the whole territory even if wanted to.

All of that is achievable through trade. And all of that could be said for any country.

Is France doing this now or recently?

It could have at anytime but hasn’t. Nor has it made any overture.

Sorry but it’s a ridiculous theory with no basis. Not historically and not even geo politically.

I'm sure the US wouldn't mind a nuclear neighbour at all.

 

[Rifleman62]

Meh, we don't tend to buy kit from our geopolitical rivals, China, Russia....

daftandbarmy Unless you're from BC of course​

Thats the sick Eby NDP

 

[Halifax Tar]

No one is coming to our aid if the 10th Mtn Div crosses the St Lawrence. Maybe Russia or China ?

No one would even show solidarity for us when the whole 51st state was mentioned. But sure lets buy more into Europe.

Elbows up Canada.

 

[Remius]

No one is coming to our aid if the 10th Mtn Div crosses the St Lawrence. Maybe Russia or China ?

Buying US would be a bit counter intuitive if that was a real thing no?

No one would even show solidarity for us when the whole 51st state was mentioned. But sure lets buy more into Europe.

No. Let’s diversify. Europe is part of that. But sure, let’s buy more American while they threaten and troll us.

Elbows up Canada.

Why do you hate that so much? Honest question. I know your long term plan is to leave the country but why deride that exactly? People complain when people aren’t patriotic and then deride it when they are. Seems counter intuitive tbh.

 

[QV]

Patriotism in Canada is a novel thing to be turned on and off at the whims of the post-nation state party. The only time it has been turned on is when the future of the LPC is at risk.

 

[QV]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-pension-plan-us-1.7565080

Interesting. Since the US is so unreliable, the pension fund better find somewhere else to invest.

 

[Czech_pivo]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-pension-plan-us-1.7565080

Interesting. Since the US is so unreliable, the pension fund better find somewhere else to invest.

Canada represents 3% of the world's equity market and that % is not growing but shrinking. Having 12% in Canada represents more than enough of an investment in this country.

EDIT:

The S&P 500 out performed the TSX60 over the last 10yrs - what I want is for the CPPIB to continue to be completely separate from the whims of the Federal Government and to MAKE ALL CDN'S AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE

S&P 500 10yrs average - 11.3%
TSX 60 10yrs average - 8.6%

 

[daftandbarmy]

No one is coming to our aid if the 10th Mtn Div crosses the St Lawrence. Maybe Russia or China ?

No one would even show solidarity for us when the whole 51st state was mentioned. But sure lets buy more into Europe.

Elbows up Canada.

Glass half full: I know guys who've worked with the 10th. If they crossed our borders we'd most likely need to rescue them

 

[Remius]

Patriotism in Canada is a novel thing to be turned on and off at the whims of the post-nation state party. The only time it has been turned on is when the future of the LPC is at risk.

Interesting take. I take the approach that patriotism in Canada is a rather subdued under the surface thing that bubbles up from time to time when there are things or times that merit it.

The last year or is one of those times. Other times like (but not limited to) Nov 11th, Canada Day, Highway of Heroes, sports event and notable milestones as well.

It’s isn’t loud or gaudy. And thankfully we are far less likely to emulate and link forms of patriotism with various mattress and discount sales to the same degree as other countries.

 

[Remius]

Glass half full: I know guys who've worked with the 10th. If they crossed our borders we'd most likely need to rescue them

I have a similar story but that was over 20 years ago…

 

[KevinB]

Yes clearly the two turns it would take 10th Mountain to fully control Ottawa (and CFB Petawawa, and DHTC) would be too much for it.

That Division has more firepower than the entire CA.

Getting out the front door to 781 isn’t going to tax anyone - neither is turning right onto I-81 North, then it’s a straight shot to the border.

Biggest question is which way to turn at the 401, and that’s not really a big deal as with one to the left and two to the right, Toronto, Ottawa, or Montreal get a Brigade each.

Also as Israel has recently renewed in Iran, it’s easier just to use stealth methods at first, the Army is only for cleanup crew.

 

[Halifax Tar]

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Yes clearly the two turns it would take 10th Mountain to fully control Ottawa (and CFB Petawawa, and DHTC) would be too much for it.

That Division has more firepower than the entire CA.

Getting out the front door to 781 isn’t going to tax anyone - neither is turning right onto I-81 North, then it’s a straight shot to the border.

Biggest question is which way to turn at the 401, and that’s not really a big deal as with one to the left and two to the right, Toronto, Ottawa, or Montreal get a Brigade each.

Also as Israel has recently renewed in Iran, it’s easier just to use stealth methods at first, the Army is only for cleanup crew.

I'd actually recommend you go to Kingston and take 15 up.

Slower but a prettier drive, and the 401 drivers are a bigger threat than anything the CAF could offer in resistance.