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US Presidential Election 2024 - Trump vs Harris - Vote Hard with a Vengence

Now you are being ignorantly presumptuous. Who are you to determine the depths of my beliefs or associations. You can't use that to weasel out of your own condemnations and comments. If you want this to go away, withdraw your pointed comments about Trump and MAGA being fascists. If not, I'll have to continue believing your calling me a fascist, because I am, whether or not you can comprehend it or not, a Trump/MAGA supporter. Both of which you have stated are fascists.
Oh I don't deny that you are a Trump/MAGA supporter, but that doesn't make you "MAGA". You're Canadian, so that just makes you a fanboy LARPing as one.

P. S. Not going to lie, it gave me tingles hearing you call me a big boy. ;)
 
I can easily define myself as MAGA.
Oh I don't deny that you are a Trump/MAGA supporter, but that doesn't make you "MAGA". You're Canadian, so that just makes you a fanboy LARPing as one.

P. S. Not going to lie, it gave me tingles hearing you call me a big boy. ;)
One does not need to vote to be MAGA.

I have volunteered to work phones and polling stations in Detroit. And before you decide to call me on that you best look at the laws.

But again. It's just your opinion, which I find increasingly desperate in trying to define me

I don't need your permission to define myself.. nor do I have to accept whatever vision you decide for me. Again, just because you say it, doesn't make you right.

I think I'll just ignore you and let the thread get back on track. Your opinion doesn't hold any water for me.

Bottom line - you called me a fascist by association. No weasel words or desperate insinuations will change that. If you wish to say I'm not, then your whole scree on Trump and MAGA being fascist is moot and false.
 
I can easily define myself as MAGA.

One does not need to vote to be MAGA.

I have volunteered to work phones and polling stations in Detroit. And before you decide to call me on that you best look at the laws.

But again. It's just your opinion, which I find increasingly desperate in trying to define me

I don't need your permission to define myself.. nor do I have to accept whatever vision you decide for me. Again, just because you say it, doesn't make you right.

I think I'll just ignore you and let the thread get back on track. Your opinion doesn't hold any water for me.

Bottom line - you called me a fascist by association. No weasel words or desperate insinuations will change that. If you wish to say I'm not, then your whole scree on Trump and MAGA being fascist is moot and false.
You can be and identify with whatever you want. To me, it’s odd(being Canadian or any non American and being politically aligned with a foreign political movement) but it reinforces a lot of perceptions of what MAGA is.

I am curious though how you define MAGA and its political leanings. I see it very much as nativist/nationalist populist movement with a heavy emphasis on a personality bordering on religious idolatry.

We still haven’t defined what facism is beyond what Lumber posted some posts ago. I assume he is using that to define his postulation that MAGA is facist. No one has actually refuted that definition yet.
 
Konrad Yakabuski, writing in today's Globe and Mail, says that, as an old Chinese curse suggests, we are going to be living in interesting times:

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Whether it’s Trump or Harris, U.S. foreign policy is headed into uncharted territory​

KONRAD YAKABUSKI
PUBLISHED 2 HOURS AGO
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Even more than is usual, this U.S. presidential election has the entire world on edge. The result will either be a return to the “America First” foreign policy that Republican nominee Donald Trump preached during his first term, or the adoption of an entirely new approach to international relations under an untested Democratic nominee in Kamala Harris.

U.S. allies are not sure which they should fear most: A second Trump presidency that undermines Western alliances and leaves global peace at the mercy of a volatile U.S. leader who uses threats and bribes to get his way, or a Harris administration led by an inexperienced commander-in-chief who is risk-averse and loath to use U.S. military force.

The foreign policy stakes in this election are the highest since the Cold War era. As the bipartisan Commission on the National Defense Strategy warned in a July report: “The threats the United States faces are the most serious and most challenging the nation has encountered since 1945 and include the potential for near-term major war.” And it is unclear either presidential candidate is prepared.

Despite her nearly four years as Vice-President, during which she regularly participated in Situation Room debates, Ms. Harris had little influence over U.S. foreign policy. With decades of international experience under his belt, President Joe Biden has not relied on Ms. Harris for foreign policy advice the way former president Barack Obama counted on Mr. Biden when he served as his vice-president.

Ms. Harris’s campaign comments on foreign policy do suggest she would adopt a different approach from that of her current boss, one framed less in moral terms – such as the “struggle between democracy and autocracy” that Mr. Biden so often refers to – and based rather in pragmatism and aimed at achieving longer-term security objectives regarding climate change and artificial intelligence.

Ms. Harris is also seen as less of a China hawk than Mr. Biden – or even Mr. Trump, for that matter – and eager to defuse tensions with Beijing.

It did not go unnoticed when, during a 60 Minutes interview last month, Ms. Harris described Iran as her country’s “greatest adversary.” Her answer was at odds with her own administration’s assessment of China as the biggest threat to U.S. national security. China, after all, remains the only country able to challenge U.S. military, economic and technological primacy.

Or threaten the sovereignty of U.S. allies in the Indo-Pacific. Ms. Harris has refrained from vowing to defend Taiwan if China invaded it. “I’m not going to get into hypotheticals,” she told her 60 Minutes interviewer, breaking with Mr. Biden’s repeated pledges to come to Taiwan’s aid in the event of Chinese aggression. Chinese President Xi Jinping may see Ms. Harris as more malleable than Mr. Biden.

Mr. Trump, meanwhile, boasts that his personal relationship with Mr. Xi and the autocratic leaders of Russia and North Korea are an effective means of deterrence. He thus insists Russian President Vladimir Putin would never have invaded Ukraine on his watch. He adds he would end the war immediately if he wins the White House again. Ukraine supporters fear this would mean imposing a negotiated settlement on Kyiv that favours Russia, a move that would only encourage further aggression by Mr. Putin and autocrats everywhere.

Mr. Trump last month told the Wall Street Journal editorial board that he would threaten to impose punitive tariffs on China to deter it from invading Taiwan. Asked whether he would use military force to prevent Mr. Xi from erecting a blockade on Taiwan, Mr. Trump responded: “I wouldn’t have to because he respects me, and he knows I’m f---- crazy.”

Hinting at your own instability might seem to have its limits as a deterrence tool. Yet, as former Trump national security adviser Robert O’ Brien recently told The New York Times, the “madman theory” (once employed during the Cold War by then-president Richard Nixon) would be a critical foreign policy tool in a future Trump administration.

While dealing with wars in Ukraine and the Middle East will be the next U.S. administration’s most immediate foreign policy priorities, other international crises are almost certain to pop up, sooner rather than later, to monopolize the attention of whoever becomes president. And it is how she or he reacts to unforeseen events that will reveal their foreign policy brilliance or ineptness.

While the prospect of a second Trump presidency unsettles most U.S. allies far more than the potential advent of a Harris administration, no one should be feeling reassured. Either way, U.S. foreign policy looks set to enter uncharted territory.

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So, our hope to preserve Taiwan's sovereignty is that Xi Jinping knows President Trump is "f---- crazy." That's reassuring, isn't it?
 
. If you don't know what fascism is by now, you never will. It does not need describing. It's a great evil and despicable. However, some like Lumber, throw it around as a cheap epithet. Like they use hitler and nazi, making them mainstream, dull and boring. It steals the effect and impact of the evil it really is. These words should not be normalized. They should remain as they were intended. To describe a monumental evil that destroyed millions of innocent lives. It should be used judiciously and in relation to situations like the Holocaust. Not as an ignorant means of describing someone who's politics you don't agree with.

You can be and identify with whatever you want. To me, it’s odd(being Canadian or any non American and being politically aligned with a foreign political movement) but it reinforces a lot of perceptions of what MAGA is.

I am curious though how you define MAGA and its political leanings. I see it very much as nativist/nationalist populist movement with a heavy emphasis on a personality bordering on religious idolatry.

We still haven’t defined what facism is beyond what Lumber posted some posts ago. I assume he is using that to define his postulation that MAGA is facist. No one has actually refuted that definition yet.
You don't have the relationship with the US that I do. Your idea of what MAGA is, is immaterial to anyone but yourself and those that agree with you. It's certainly not my vision. And for me, who I associate with and have a like minded set, is really nobodies business, but mine. Unless you want to try pigeonhole me, like Lumber did and try make my business, your business.



Failing a nuclear blast, I believe the die is pretty well cast for this election. It will be what it will be.

I see no need for my further participation

Good luck to whoever you're rooting for.

Catch you back here on the 6th.
 
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he can also be bought. Im sure Xi knows that tooo
Literally the opposite. I don't recall recall you commenting on all the politicians who’s net worth increased by orders of magnitude on public salaries. Yet you say this about a guy who donated his salary and was already a billionaire.
 
Since we're on the final stretch here with no actual news on the election, are we done with the name calling of supporters/politicians/forum posters or does the thread need a lock until election night?

- Milnet.ca Staff
 
Literally the opposite. I don't recall recall you commenting on all the politicians whose net worth increased by orders of magnitude on public salaries. Yet you say this about a guy who donated his salary and was already a billionaire.
oh please. He overcharged the Secret Service guarding him in his hotels, he sold a number of things for foreign monies.
 
Since we're on the final stretch here with no actual news on the election, are we done with the name calling of supporters/politicians/forum posters or does the thread need a lock until election night?

- Milnet.ca Staff
Do what you have to do. i've already left😁
 
You don't have the relationship with the US that I do. Your idea of what MAGA is, is immaterial to anyone but yourself and those that agree with you. It's certainly not my vision. And for me, who I associate with and have a like minded set, is really nobodies business, but mine. Unless you want to try pigeonhole me, like Lumber did and try make my business, your business.
Then perhaps you can explain or define YOUR version of MAGA. I would suggest though if you don’t want your business known then perhaps a public forum declaring your opinions is not the best option.

I’ll ask again what your take on it is. I’ve left that door open for you a few times.

But I’ll add that this latest interaction really reinforces the idea that MAGA is very much about feelings. How people feel and perceive things. Not a jab, just an observation.
Failing a nuclear blast, I believe the die is pretty well cast for this election. It will be what it will be.
It will. I don’t personally think either choice is that great. My take is one is definitely a worse option but my life will go on one way or another. I’ll still maintain an interest in what will happen the next 4 years. You seem way more invested in this so I’ll leave you to your victory lap or your mourning, whatever comes.
I see no need for my further participation

Good luck to whoever you're rooting for.

Catch you back here on the 6th.
I’m sure the convo will continue well beyond that.
 
Literally the opposite. I don't recall recall you commenting on all the politicians who’s net worth increased by orders of magnitude on public salaries. Yet you say this about a guy who donated his salary and was already a billionaire.
why would i comment on that? in what way is it relevant?
 
Polling of early voters is looking very good for Harris in battleground states.
 
A thing about foreign policy wonks is how utterly wrong most of their forecasts are, most of the time.
They certainly messed up predicting that Russia would not invade Ukraine


 
Polling of early voters is looking very good for Harris in battleground states.
Not sure if that is a real indicator. Margins are worse than they were with Biden but better than Clinton. Both were also ahead.

Seems she’s polling with significant leads though in all swing states except Nevada.

That could mean anything at this point though.
 
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