US Presidential Election 2024 - Trump vs Harris - Vote Hard with a Vengence

[Lumber]

That's just biased opinion.

No, that's statistics*. The least educated states in America are Republican.

(*statistics is the practice or science of collecting and analyzing numerical data in large quantities, especially for the purpose of inferring proportions in a whole from those in a representative sample)

 

[OldSolduer]

Ideas are harder to kill than people. Most authoritarian regimes have realised that; including Russia, Iran, and North Korea.

THIS - remember WW2 and the Nazis? Well that idea never died and neither has Communism or the idea of wiping a complete ethnicity out.

 

[suffolkowner]

Shapiro might have given them Pennsylvania and he certainly couldn't have been more ham fisted and controversial as Walz.

I think the dems hung their hat on the abortion issue. And most voters placed that fairly far down on their list of problems. Something Trump was easily able to dismiss.They hardly touched on what was really important to voters. And they never,articulated a plan. Also, they spent their whole time giving Trump publicity instead of concentrating on the issues. The most used words in their speeches were 'I' and 'Trump.' Harris had nothing. It was only a short time before people became bored with her word salad. They wanted to hear solutions. She had none. Hiding her from the public and interviews didn't help either. i'll say though, it wasn't near all her fault. The dems need to blame Pelosi and Obama for putting her in this position in the first place.

I dont know Walz didnt deliver anything.
Maybe Shapiro would drive more of the Pro Hamas crowd away?

 

[Furniture]

No, that's statistics*. The least educated states in America are Republican.

(*statistics is the practice or science of collecting and analyzing numerical data in large quantities, especially for the purpose of inferring proportions in a whole from those in a representative sample)

The most populous states are Democrat... If the 54% is based on overall population, there could easily be a large portion of that percentage who are in blue states, voting blue.

Also, this sort of attitude is the same attitude that saw the Democrats lose the election. Nobody reading that, other than people who already think like you, think it's a smart or funny reply.

 

[dimsum]

But the majority of the teachers are left leaning

That’s like saying that the NCMs in the CAF are the same ilk as the MND, PM, etc.

Teachers are the coal-face of the education system, but they aren’t the only part of the system.

 

[RangerRay]

Not the ending I was hoping for.

Anyway, here are a couple of good articles from liberal critics of the Democrats on why they lost.

The Dawn of the Trump Era

To understand how Trump could become the dominant politician of this era, it’s time for all of us to take a long, hard look in the mirror.

yaschamounk.substack.com

Where Have All the Democrats Gone?

A critical book for understanding yesterday's election results.

www.liberalpatriot.com

 

[dimsum]

That's just biased opinion.

That’s also exit poll statistics, assuming that college-level courses require higher than a Gr 5 reading level.

Blue: Dem
Red: GOP

 

[Fishbone Jones]

That’s also exit poll statistics, assuming that college-level courses require higher than a Gr 5 reading level.

Blue: Dem
Red: GOP

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That just proves more Republicans work for a living. And looking at universities and college shenanigans for the last two years shows what a sorry bunch of gits the students are. Real world experience will get you further than a degree.

 

[KJK]

So if I understand Lumber and dimsum correctly anyone who doesn't have a university degree is an uneducated rube that won't vote properly( at least according to them) and is very easily led. As someone who doesn't have a degree but has a Red Seal trade ticket and generally gets paid enough in the top 10% of earners in Canada I find this hilarious. A significant percentage of people I work with went trade school to get an education or in the case of several of my friends that own multiple businesses that have no formal education but make well into high 6 figures yearly are deemed too ignorant by Lumber and dimsum's standards to decide who to vote for. I suspect you might find that many of these 'uneducated' Americans are just like my friends. Holding a university degree, particularly one that ends in studies, doesn't equal smart, successful or competent.

 

[lenaitch]

Most people living in rural areas aren't farmers, and likely have little sympathy for farmers.

Really? Not my experience and I've lived in the rurals and beyond since the early 70's. Maybe its true in the urban exurbs where transplanted cidiots and day trippers complain about funny smells and slow tractors on the road.

 

[brihard]

That just proves more Republicans work for a living. And looking at universities and college shenanigans for the last two years shows what a sorry bunch of gits the students are. Real world experience will get you further than a degree.

Your generalization is off base. I’ve been in university for the past few years. The vast majority of students have no involvement in, don’t much notice, and barely if at all care about the sort of activism that commands much time and attention on social media. They’re just trying to get through their courses while keeping a roof over their heads and try to launch into a career on graduating.

 

[suffolkowner]

Your generalization is off base. I’ve been in university for the past few years. The vast majority of students have no involvement in, don’t much notice, and barely if at all care about the sort of activism that commands much time and attention on social media. They’re just trying to get through their courses while keeping a roof over their heads and try to launch into a career on graduating.

thats no different than the hippies. Barely paid attention to them. But they were loud and someone has to be

 

[Kirkhill]

No, that's statistics*. The least educated states in America are Republican.

(*statistics is the practice or science of collecting and analyzing numerical data in large quantities, especially for the purpose of inferring proportions in a whole from those in a representative sample)

I wonder who is quicker on the uptake? The uneducated Republican or the educated Democrat that keeps trying to make friends by telling the Republican how uneducated he is.

 

[suffolkowner]

I wonder who is quicker on the uptake? The uneducated Republican or the educated Democrat that keeps trying to make friends by telling the Republican how uneducated he is.

no ones trying to make friends

you had idiot leftists not voting for Harris because of Gaza, dont try and apply to much logic to this

 

[Halifax Tar]

If post secondary education meant what people thought it did we would be living in a utopia with the proliferation of degrees floating out there now.

Anyone with any CAF NCM experience will tell you a degree proves SFA. And IMHO it's becomes less valuable the older it gets.

 

[OldSolduer]

So if I understand Lumber and dimsum correctly anyone who doesn't have a university degree is an uneducated rube that won't vote properly( at least according to them) and is very easily led.

I don't think they said that or even inferred it.

 

[suffolkowner]

If post secondary education meant what people thought it did we would be living in a utopia with the proliferation of degrees floating out there now.

Anyone with any CAF NCM experience will tell you a degree proves SFA. And IMHO it's becomes less valuable the older it gets.

nothing wrong with PS education IMO why wouldnt we want the most educated population we can get?

Id just question what some of the education is. Might need to take the chainsaw to some of the bushes

 

[OldSolduer]

nothing wrong with PS education IMO why wouldnt we want the most educated population we can get?

Id just question what some of the education is. Might need to take the chainsaw to some of the bushes

Agree on both counts. Just so you all know a Red Seal Electrician goes through I think its a 4 year program. AND they study math and formulas. So trades people aren't stupid. Their specialty is hands on for the most part.

 

[dimsum]

That just proves more Republicans work for a living.

I used the education rates as an easy analogy for reading levels. I’m not sure that “working for a living” is a good excuse for having a Grade 5 literacy rate.

If you finish high school, you should be able to read at a high school level.

So if I understand Lumber and dimsum correctly anyone who doesn't have a university degree is an uneducated rube that won't vote properly( at least according to them) and is very easily led. As someone who doesn't have a degree but has a Red Seal trade ticket and generally gets paid enough in the top 10% of earners in Canada I find this hilarious. A significant percentage of people I work with went trade school to get an education or in the case of several of my friends that own multiple businesses that have no formal education but make well into high 6 figures yearly are deemed too ignorant by Lumber and dimsum's standards to decide who to vote for. I suspect you might find that many of these 'uneducated' Americans are just like my friends. Holding a university degree, particularly one that ends in studies, doesn't equal smart, successful or competent.

You don’t understand me correctly. The exit polls have folks without college, etc leaning more towards the GOP. Separately, @Lumber
Said the Grade 5 literacy piece.

Based on your post, you have higher than Grade 5 literacy. I’m not making this about education levels per se, but if someone doesn’t understand what they’re reading because it’s at a high school level and they don’t have it, then there’s a problem. It’s like a less extreme version of illiterate folks needing religion explained to them by the educated clergy because it was in Latin - the clergy can then put whatever slant they want on it knowing that the folks can’t read the source material.

And looking at universities and college shenanigans for the last two years shows what a sorry bunch of gits the students are. Real world experience will get you further than a degree.

Yes…to a point. I can’t be an Electrical Engineer without an engineering degree. I can’t be a lawyer without a degree. Would you want someone who doesn’t have that degree to be your Electrical Engineer or lawyer?

Also, I think that trade schools are important. So are universities and colleges. They teach different things and for different reasons, and are all required. A doctor can’t do a lot of things in an operating room without the techs, for example.

Anyways, huge rambling rant to say that my issue isn’t with education and who they vote for, it’s that Grade 5 literacy is far too low in a supposedly first-world country.

 

[dimsum]

I wonder who is quicker on the uptake? The uneducated Republican or the educated Democrat that keeps trying to make friends by telling the Republican how uneducated he is.

Education and intelligence are not necessarily correlated, as we love to point out in the military (the whole “Junior Officer vs SNCO” shtick).

And I wouldn’t forget the section of Republicans that try to make friends by telling the Democrats how they are “coastal elites”.