US Presidential Election 2024 - Trump vs Harris - Vote Hard with a Vengence

[Eaglelord17]

Education and intelligence are not necessarily correlated, as we love to point out in the military (the whole “Junior Officer vs SNCO” shtick).

And I wouldn’t forget the section of Republicans that try to make friends by telling the Democrats how they are “coastal elites”.

Education, Intelligence, and competency are also not necessarily correlated.

I have met some people who aren’t particularly smart or educated but can put out a ton of work, and I have met intelligent people who struggle with screwing in a lightbulb.

 

[Halifax Tar]

nothing wrong with PS education IMO why wouldnt we want the most educated population we can get?

Id just question what some of the education is. Might need to take the chainsaw to some of the bushes

I never said their was. Education has value. And I agree we need to trim the hedges as much of what is produced now is not valuable education. It's course offerings to generate revenues for the institution.

Of the graphs of uneducated Rep V Educated Dems I would like to see what degrees and diplomas make up the values.

 

[suffolkowner]

Agree on both counts. Just so you all know a Red Seal Electrician goes through I think its a 4 year program. AND they study math and formulas. So trades people aren't stupid. Their specialty is hands on for the most part.

I dont know if an electricians the best example lol theres a reason they colour the wire. I kid, I kid
but all jobs have on the job learning. I think a lot of specialists tend to overrate their own importance and underrate those of others

 

[QV]

Can we come back to conspiracy, Trump, and the end of times… this talk about education is boring…

 

[dimsum]

Reposted.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

You are being generous about how well Twitter is working.

New Data Suggests X Is Still Far From Profitability

Financial performance numbers highlight the dire state of the app, with no clear pathway to profitability in sight.

www.socialmediatoday.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/09/01/musk-twitter-investors-underwater/

Maybe he has a grand plan.

Him backing down with the dust up with Brasil is also a good indicator…

I thought this was funny this morning:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854187144077840621

Maybe that $44 billion was a steal after all

 

[ArmyRick]

What I dont understand is why didnt the Democrats rig this election like the last time? Seems like a missed opportunity

Because the republicans rigged the election this time, come on.

kidding, obviously.

 

[Remius]

I thought this was funny this morning:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854187144077840621

Maybe that $44 billion was a steal after all

Well he did have a grand plan. Wasn’t about making money. Just control of the message. For guys like him money is no longer a motivator if it ever was.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Well he did have a grand plan. Wasn’t about making money. Just control of the message. For guys like him money is no longer a motivator if it ever wawas.

Musk to the passengers of his soon to be unregulated Self driving fleet:

 

[brihard]

Regardless of everything else, we can at least be absolutely certain that in January, Kamala Harris, who lost the election, and who is the current Vice President, will fulfill her solely ministerial role to certify the results of the election. A few weeks later, there will be a peaceful and timely transition of power from one government to the next according to the will of the electorate.

 

[KevinB]

I thought this was funny this morning:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854187144077840621

Maybe that $44 billion was a steal after all

Well apparently around 32B came from the Russians

 

[mariomike]

Anyways, huge rambling rant to say that my issue isn’t with education and who they vote for, it’s that Grade 5 literacy is far too low in a supposedly first-world country.

Voter Literacy Tests in the U.S. were banned with the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

 

[Furniture]

Really? Not my experience and I've lived in the rurals and beyond since the early 70's. Maybe its true in the urban exurbs where transplanted cidiots and day trippers complain about funny smells and slow tractors on the road.

I was born and raised in rural PEI. No cities around to have suburbs, let alone exurbs.

Maybe the difference is I was part of the class system, and you were an outsider, or maybe Ontario is a bit different.

 

[IKnowNothing]

I thought this was funny this morning:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854187144077840621

Maybe that $44 billion was a steal after all

Thursday morning conspiracy for y'all:

Elon, realizing that it is not feasible to colonize Mars and set up his kingdom of indentured serfs within his lifetime, notes the way populist Trump
A- controls the narrative and influences people through social media, to the point where facts and truth are what he says they are
B- pushes through all previously accepted barriers of Presidential ethics with respect to private business interests in office

Elon embarks on his quest to realize his kingdom goals on Earth. recognizes
A- unfettered access to wide scale social media is key - buys Twitter
B- that it would be a whole lot easier to harness the MAGA populist movement then create his own, and throws his weight behind Trump.

Conspiracy/Prediction-
A- Over the early stages of the term, Musk continues to ingratiate/integrate himself has a key part of the administration
B- Trump, recognizing his age, makes a deal with Musk to frame him as the heir apparent to MAGA, quid pro quo
C- Trump pushes the Republican House/Senate for a constitutional amendment- not for eliminating term limits, but for striking down the "natural born citizen" requirement, replacing it with something like "full citizen, for a period of no less than 25 years at time of inauguration". To get the necessary 2/3's vote they frame the originally wording as xenophobic/racist. Enough Dems take the bait.
D- Election 2028 features Elon Musk vs. Arnold Schwarzenegger (Arnie at the head of a new look centrist democratic party.

 

[YZT580]

That just proves more Republicans work for a living. And looking at universities and college shenanigans for the last two years shows what a sorry bunch of gits the students are. Real world experience will get you further than a degree.

sad but true

 

[YZT580]

Your generalization is off base. I’ve been in university for the past few years. The vast majority of students have no involvement in, don’t much notice, and barely if at all care about the sort of activism that commands much time and attention on social media. They’re just trying to get through their courses while keeping a roof over their heads and try to launch into a career on graduating.

but it is those few who get the publicity. Has anyone analysed the composition of the protesters to find out whether they are local or foreign, or whether they are even students? If they are students, what is their background? As you say, most students are just trying to make it through to the next semester.

 

[Lumber]

The most populous states are Democrat... If the 54% is based on overall population, there could easily be a large portion of that percentage who are in blue states, voting blue.

Absolutely. In fact, the state with the lowest rate of English literacy is California, due primarily to their high level of non-English speaking immigrants.

Also, this sort of attitude is the same attitude that saw the Democrats lose the election. Nobody reading that, other than people who already think like you, think it's a smart or funny reply.

lol. At no point did I imply that Democrats should advertise the attitude. I'm simply sharing my conclusion as to why so many Americans are able to ignore sound reasoning and evidence.

 

[Lumber]

That just proves more Republicans work for a living. And looking at universities and college shenanigans for the last two years shows what a sorry bunch of gits the students are. Real world experience will get you further than a degree.

Jesus Christ it's like beating a dead horse. You're so fixated on one small piece of the puzzle you can't see the forest for the trees.

All you see are angry, stupid, liberal arts majors, or pro-Palestine protestors, and you assume that everyone with a degree is one of those "gits", and therefore university degrees are "useless".

University degrees are required for a lot of difficult jobs, and not just as a "litmus test" or "gate keeping" tool, but because the education provided is actually necessary to be able to effectively do that job: Doctor, Lawyer, RN, Architect, Engineer, etc. And for many others, the process of getting the degree provides a lot of useful information and critical thinking skills that enable them to better do their jobs: Finance, Teacher, Politician, etc.

Are degrees absolutely necessary to be successful, absolutely not! But again, you can't look at one or two success stories and say "see! post secondary education isn't important!". You need to look at it on a macro level. In Canada, the average salaries based on education level are as follows:

High school Diploma Only: $55,774
Apprenticeship certificate: $72,955
College Diploma: $67,965
Bachelor's Degree or higher: $82,082

Why wouldn't I encourage people to get a university degree if, on average, it clearly will lead to the most favorable outcome?

But beyond the specifics, a post-secondary education of some kind, is nothing more than "more education".

So let me ask you @fishbone, if you think so little of "post secondary education", where do you draw the line? There are success stories of people who didn't graduate high-school. Should we stop espousing the benefit of finishing high school? There are success stories of people who didn't go past grade 8. Should we stop espousing the benefit of even entering high school? I'll answer for you: more education is always better.

 

[Lumber]

So if I understand Lumber and dimsum correctly anyone who doesn't have a university degree is an uneducated rube that won't vote properly( at least according to them) and is very easily led. As someone who doesn't have a degree but has a Red Seal trade ticket and generally gets paid enough in the top 10% of earners in Canada I find this hilarious. A significant percentage of people I work with went trade school to get an education or in the case of several of my friends that own multiple businesses that have no formal education but make well into high 6 figures yearly are deemed too ignorant by Lumber and dimsum's standards to decide who to vote for. I suspect you might find that many of these 'uneducated' Americans are just like my friends. Holding a university degree, particularly one that ends in studies, doesn't equal smart, successful or competent.

I up to this point (my last reply to Fish) never even once mentioned a University degree. Uneducated doesn't even mean you didn't go to school. You can go to a shit school and come out uneducated. Heck, you can go to a really good school and come out uneducated if you don't take your education seriously and the school has a no-kid-left-behind policy.

The people who are uneducated rubes are the ones who are just educated enough to understand and believe a story but who are not educated enough to think critically and question the story.

Your examples mean nothing to this conversation when we are talking about populations well into the 10s of millions. There are people out there who can be successful without any formal education. There are people who develop sound critical thinking skills without any formal education. Good for them; I don't give a shit. At a macro scale, when people in the west is being bombarded misinformation. disinformation, and outright lies, it the masses of people who can't see beyond what's right in front of their face that matter.

 

[ArmyRick]

Bachelor's Degree or higher: $82,082

You might be inserting averages (which is a math formula) but I think what the degree is in matters a lot more and location matters too

My observations
-I have a high school only degree and up until 2016, I had made more than my wife with a Bsc Science from Commy U (York U)
-My wife has held many high paying jobs (65G in 2001 was a lot at the time) and many barely minimum wage jobs
-I know several people who have degrees in social BS and work factory jobs (well paying) or unskilled labour low wage jobs
-The wealthiest person I know has a Batchelors degree in commerce and through managing investment portfolios made a ton of dough
-The next wealthiest people I know were people who pursued trades (plumbers, electricians, carpentry, etc) most of them fellow high school friends with only high school completed
-I should add two friends of mine got into co-owning a transportation company at the right time and made a ton of cash but economic down turn of last 4 years has hurt them