Wearing Uniform in Public (merged)

[navymich]

From dress regs:

11. Public Transportation. Personel travelling
aboard a local public conveyance may remove their
headdress. Personnel travelling extended distances
by aircraft, bus or rail, may remove their headdress
while in transit, however, headdress shall be
replaced prior to exiting the public conveyance,
vehicle or aircraft.

 

[284_226]

From A-AD-265-000/AG-001

10. Non-Service Buildings. Head-dress shall not normally be removed in any public place, including elevators. However, personnel may observe the custom practised by civilians in regard to the wearing of head-dress in non-service buildings such as restaurants, theatres and civil courts. When on duty under arms as an escort in a civil court, head-dress shall not be removed.

11. Public Transportation. Head-dress shall be worn when travelling aboard local public conveyances. Personnel travelling extended distances by bus, rail or aircraft may remove their head-dress while in transit, however, it shall be replaced prior to leaving the vehicle or aircraft.

12. Military and Privately Owned Motor Vehicles (PMV).

a. Members wearing uniform shall wear headdress while operating or travelling as a passenger in a military vehicle except:

(1) if the roof of the vehicle is too low to permit head-dress to be worn with comfort and safety;
(2) on extended trips; and
(3) on order of the senior member present.

b. When head-dress has been removed in accordance with the provisions of the preceding sub-paragraph, it shall be replaced:

(1) when approaching and leaving a military establishment; and
(2) immediately upon exiting a military vehicle or PMV.

 

[George Wallace]

OK.......Which of you has the more up to date version ?......

As Stated:

You would wear your Headdress when on a City Bus or in your car, both going to and returning from your place of employment.  You would be permitted to remove your headdress if you were travelling across Canada on Greyhound, Air Canada, Via Rail, SMP, etc. but not on a short distance trip to or from your daily work place.

It appears that both these rules are being broken at many locations across Canada.

 

[navymich]

OK.......Which of you has the more up to date version ?......

Mine has Ch/Mod 4 – 2005-03-16

 

[IN HOC SIGNO]

From A-AD-265-000/AG-001

The one that gets me is when people get out to pump gas and then go in to pay for it while not wearing headdress. I once asked a guy in Oromocto (at Gateway Esso) why he wasn't wearing his beret and he said "oh I just forgot it on the front seat of the car." I was pretty sure the Base Chief wouldn't have liked that answer much.
Here in Halifax I've seen guys who put their Gortex parka on to go out in civvies and neglect to take the rank slip ons off....that drives me absolutely bonkers!!
I usually encounter these guys at the Home Depot or Kents....they must slipped out to get a sheet of drywall or something and grabbed the first coat on the hook.....at least that was the excuse they gave me. :rage:

 

[284_226]

Hers is more up to date than mine....please delete my post.  I wonder when it changed?

I'd log into the DWAN now to check for the most recent version, but DVPNI appears to be having a nap.

 

[Sig_Des]

Here in Halifax I've seen guys who put their Gortex parka on to go out in civvies and neglect to take the rank slip ons off....that drives me absolutely bonkers!!

Even without the slip-on, I hate seeing the gore-tex with civvies...Guess it may be easier to get away with if you have the black navy one.

As far as on buses, IE here in Ottawa, OC Transpo, I've always kept mine one, but I know that if it get really hot I can remove it.

 

[medicineman]

 You would be permitted to remove your headdress if you were travelling across Canada on Greyhound, Air Canada, Via Rail, SMP, etc. but not on a short distance trip to or from your daily work place.

It appears that both these rules are being broken at many locations across Canada.

People are under the impression that once they are in their PMV's, they are "in my own private property and therefore it doesn't matter" (direct quote from a Senior NCO I might add).  I've had little chats with people wandering around in shopping malls without their hats on as well - gets alot  annoying after awhile.  My guess is one of a couple of things.  First, it's pretty apparent that they're learning this either in Basic or secondly they're learning from some other's piss poor example.  If the former, shame shame; if the latter, quadruple shame and if you're the one setting the excample, go to the MIR and have some treatment for your CRIS (Cranio-Rectal Insertion Syndrome) before the BRSM decides to do it in lieu of.

Spleen smaller.

MM

 

[George Wallace]

The unfortunate thing is, many BRSM's don't do the "Discipline Thing" as much as they should, if at all.  This is the 'new Army'.  :-[

 

[IN HOC SIGNO]

The unfortunate thing is, many BRSM's don't do the "Discipline Thing" as much as they should, if at all.  This is the 'new Army'.   :-[

A lot of people got into not caring and not correcting when all this harrassement stuff came around.
I had a staff member in my last posting who totally intimidated my predecessor. Every time he went to correct this individual they would threaten to put in a harrassement complaint. When I got there I said "Go ahead. I can do more paperwork than you can dream of and I know the system so bring it on!"
Funny thing is they never did file a complaint, attitude got better and started complying with regs and directives.
Good things happen when those who are mandated to lead actually step up and lead!

 

[Trinity]

I hate seeing the gore-tex with civvies...Guess it may be easier to get away with if you have the black navy one.

That's exactly what I did.  I got a surplus navy gortex jacket.  It keeps me very toasty warm.

 

[284_226]

People are under the impression that once they are in their PMV's, they are "in my own private property and therefore it doesn't matter" (direct quote from a Senior NCO I might add). 

But members are allowed to remove their headdress in a PMV if it interferes with the safe operation of the vehicle (or on order of the senior member present, which is me if I'm driving alone).  If you have a nice big Dodge Ram pickup truck with 12" of headroom clearance, that's great.  I'm 6'2", and if I wear my beret in my Grand Am, I'm hitting the roof of the car.  If I had to wear my wedge cap, I'd end up killing someone.  ;D

 

[IN HOC SIGNO]

But members are allowed to remove their headdress in a PMV if it interferes with the safe operation of the vehicle (or on order of the senior member present, which is me if I'm driving alone).  If you have a nice big Dodge Ram pickup truck with 12" of headroom clearance, that's great.  I'm 6'2", and if I wear my beret in my Grand Am, I'm hitting the roof of the car.  If I had to wear my wedge cap, I'd end up killing someone.   ;D

My Navy peaked cap does not fit on my head when I'm driving my wifes' Corolla.
Of course when I'm driving my "real man" pick up truck the sky's the limit...I could wear one of those Russian General's hats and there's still be lots of head room!  ;D

 

[George Wallace]

.....  If you have a nice big Dodge Ram pickup truck with 12" of headroom clearance, that's great.  I'm 6'2", and if I wear my beret in my Grand Am, I'm hitting the roof of the car.  If I had to wear my wedge cap, I'd end up killing someone.   ;D

Sounds like a personal problem to me. 


[Edit to add:]  I guess you don't drive it much when you wear a ballcap either.

 

[The_Falcon]

That's exactly what I did.  I got a surplus navy gortex jacket.  It keeps me very toasty warm.

Same here, I wear it all the time, even to MPA on parade nights.  Only one person has figured out its a military jacket, and I have had it for almost 3 years now.

 

[medicineman]

But members are allowed to remove their headdress in a PMV if it interferes with the safe operation of the vehicle (or on order of the senior member present, which is me if I'm driving alone).  If you have a nice big Dodge Ram pickup truck with 12" of headroom clearance, that's great.  I'm 6'2", and if I wear my beret in my Grand Am, I'm hitting the roof of the car.  If I had to wear my wedge cap, I'd end up killing someone.   ;D

Funny - I'm the same height and have never had a problem wearing my beret in any car or truck I've driven - perhaps you need a haircut? >

MM

 

[the 48th regulator]

But members are allowed to remove their headdress in a PMV if it interferes with the safe operation of the vehicle (or on order of the senior member present, which is me if I'm driving alone).  If you have a nice big Dodge Ram pickup truck with 12" of headroom clearance, that's great.  I'm 6'2", and if I wear my beret in my Grand Am, I'm hitting the roof of the car.  If I had to wear my wedge cap, I'd end up killing someone.  ;D

Geez,

Are we now talking about feather bonnets?

dileas

tess

 

[NCRCrow]

I saw two OCDTS on Head St in Uniform holding hands. I was at Domino's picking up supper and quickly ran out and jacked them up hard!!!

Halifax has lots of dress anomalies.......some so unreal I cannot believe it

Joe Comeaus aka North End Pub always had tars playing VLTS in uniform, that disgusts me!

 

[Timmy!]

~Halifax has lots of dress anomalies.......some so unreal I cannot believe it

~that disgusts me!

I can agree to this....

 

[284_226]

Sounds like a personal problem to me.

It's not a personal problem when the beret rubs on the fabric of the roof of the car.  Off goes the beret.

[Edit to add:]  I guess you don't drive it much when you wear a ballcap either.

I don't wear one.