Will 2021 see a new pistol buy?

Will the CAF's new pistol be a:

  • the new US service pistol, the Sig Sauer P320 (M17/M18)?

    Votes: 7 43.8%
  • the British version of the Glock 17?

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • a Beretta APX?

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • a Canadian designed Black Creek Labs PX17?

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • a Norinco?

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • something else?

    Votes: 2 12.5%

  • Total voters
    16
  • Poll closed .

Haggis

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Yesterday several major newspapers ran an article by a journalist who asserted that the CAF will very soon buy a new pistol. The RFP is expected to be released in February with a contract awarded in September 2021 with delivery of up to 22,000 modular pistols to begin in the summer of 2022.
 

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It’s possible. The article in the Ottawa Citizen suggested that the pistols wouldn’t necessarily have to be made in Kitchener, which was the show-stopper in previous evolutions of this procurement. Colt doesn’t make a 9mm service pistol, no one else that did wanted to cooperate with Colt and help them enter that part of the market.

I don’t think the RFP has actually hit the street yet, so probably still too early to guess which pistols would be in the running — the US XM17 project looked at pistols from 8 different manufacturers before selecting the Sig P320, although word on the street was that the Glock 19 was a very close second.
 

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How do I vote for “use the Browning for 10 more years”?
 

Jarnhamar

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I really like the feel of the P320 but it's big. I think we should go for a compact sized pistol (believe the P320 has compact sizes).

My money is on us going with some obscure pistol most of us have never seen or heard of, or a made from scratch monstrocity.
 

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Until the RFP is out, it's a mugs game to figure out what the CAF has defined the requirement to be and how it is to be delivered. And only after companies submit their offers will we have any idea of what the possibilities are.
 

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Call up Glock, and order 20,000 Glock 17's, plus 4 spare mags each.

Problem solved.

It's a smaller order than what they provided for a couple of police departments in the US...we're small potatoes compared to that market.
 

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Call up Glock, and order 20,000 Glock 17's, plus 4 spare mags each.

Problem solved.

It's a smaller order than what they provided for a couple of police departments in the US...we're small potatoes compared to that market.
Personally, I like the Glock.

Nothing like three safeties on the most dangerous weapon on earth - to the shooter and other unintended victims: a pistol.
 

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I really like the feel of the P320 but it's big. I think we should go for a compact sized pistol (believe the P320 has compact sizes).

My money is on us going with some obscure pistol most of us have never seen or heard of, or a made from scratch monstrocity.
P320 has 4 sizes, the subcompact is slightly larger than the Glock 26 (which looks like a toy). If we do go with the P320, I hope they go with the Carry model (known as the M18 under US Military program), although the change adverse CAF will probably lean to the Full Size model (M17) as it's extremely similar size to the BHP.
 

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It will be lowest compliant bidder and from what I've seen for procurement of new equipment it might be 10 years away. Cynical I know....
 

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It will be lowest compliant bidder and from what I've seen for procurement of new equipment it might be 10 years away. Cynical I know....
If it's under $100m, then a bit of the bureaucratic faff gets removed and the process is quicker.

So maybe 9.5 years. :LOL:
 

Haggis

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I don’t think the RFP has actually hit the street yet, so probably still too early to guess which pistols would be in the running — the US XM17 project looked at pistols from 8 different manufacturers before selecting the Sig P320, although word on the street was that the Glock 19 was a very close second.
I can't see the RFP changing much from the previous ones except to drop the requirement for the winning bidder to transfer their IP to Colt Canada. A COTS solution is the best, of course, as long as Québec's economic and political needs are satisfied.
 

Haggis

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Call up Glock, and order 20,000 Glock 17's, plus 4 spare mags each.

Problem solved.

It's a smaller order than what they provided for a couple of police departments in the US...we're small potatoes compared to that market.
If the GoC were smart, they'd do a buy for all the federal agencies (CAF, RCMP, CBSA etc). That would be about 50,000 units and worth bidding on by some of the manufacturers who may have passed on it last time as "not worth the effort".

I like the way Glocks shoot, but I own a P320 which I can shoot really well. I don't like the way Glocks sit in my hand, but I'm retired now and have no dog in this fight.
 

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Last time I heard, a Glock military/police contract price was $265 USD for a pistol with 5 mags. Sig actually under bid Glock to win the contract for the US Army. Both Glock G17 and the Sig M17 are excellent pistols and would be good choices for the military. The numbers we are interested in equal about a buy similar to a large US Police Force, so we won't have much pull on pricing. The US Army uses the M17 and the British the G17, so really the competition should ride on price and service support.
The sad part is the idiots will want to destroy all of our WWII Inglis made BHP Pistols. These would be worth a lot of money on the collectors market, likley the government could recoup anywhere from $100-200 for an issued pistol and double that for a mint unissued one. To destroy these pistols is criminal, not only do they represent some of Canada's finniest moments, but also part of the WWII generation investments that poured money into war bonds to produce them. Plus these pistols were mostly made by women that represent the true first wave of real feminism and breaking down of tradition job barriers.
 

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Last time I heard, a Glock military/police contract price was $265 USD for a pistol with 5 mags. Sig actually under bid Glock to win the contract for the US Army. Both Glock G17 and the Sig M17 are excellent pistols and would be good choices for the military. The numbers we are interested in equal about a buy similar to a large US Police Force, so we won't have much pull on pricing. The US Army uses the M17 and the British the G17, so really the competition should ride on price and service support.
The sad part is the idiots will want to destroy all of our WWII Inglis made BHP Pistols. These would be worth a lot of money on the collectors market, likley the government could recoup anywhere from $100-200 for an issued pistol and double that for a mint unissued one. To destroy these pistols is criminal, not only do they represent some of Canada's finniest moments, but also part of the WWII generation investments that poured money into war bonds to produce them. Plus these pistols were mostly made by women that represent the true first wave of real feminism and breaking down of tradition job barriers.
Glock practically gave their pistols to the Ottawa Police in order to win that contract. Some RCMP units are already using Glocks. If someone gave me a free Glock, I wouldn't turn it down. They shoot well, they just don't fit my hand well.

The current government has no interest in gun related history. Remember, the Trudeau Liberals intend to ban civilian ownership of handguns regionally, if not nationally, in the very near future. This would affect collectors.
 

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Last time I heard, a Glock military/police contract price was $265 USD for a pistol with 5 mags. Sig actually under bid Glock to win the contract for the US Army. Both Glock G17 and the Sig M17 are excellent pistols and would be good choices for the military. The numbers we are interested in equal about a buy similar to a large US Police Force, so we won't have much pull on pricing. The US Army uses the M17 and the British the G17, so really the competition should ride on price and service support.
The sad part is the idiots will want to destroy all of our WWII Inglis made BHP Pistols. These would be worth a lot of money on the collectors market, likley the government could recoup anywhere from $100-200 for an issued pistol and double that for a mint unissued one. To destroy these pistols is criminal, not only do they represent some of Canada's finniest moments, but also part of the WWII generation investments that poured money into war bonds to produce them. Plus these pistols were mostly made by women that represent the true first wave of real feminism and breaking down of tradition job barriers.

Recently, a mint, unissued HP with the Lend/Lease decal intact (in original box) sold on the civilian market for about $4000.

Used Inglis High Powers with CH range serial numbers (Chinese Contract - tangent rear sight and slotted backstrap for the shoulder stock) usually sell for over $1000.

Used Inglis HP's with T range serial numbers never sell for less than $1000. Usually more.
 

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Haggis

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The last thing the Trudeau Liberals want to do is add more guns to the civilian stream, particularly if they are about to ban them. Even without a ban, they would be terrified of one being "diverted" to the criminal steam and traced back as a "former government gun".
 

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Norinco made 80,000 P226 copies in 7.62x25 for Pakistan recently, likley they could supply Canada in a couple of days. Sig sold 500,000 2022's to France to arm their Federal Police.
 

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They did make a copy a long time ago, but apparently it was really bad, even by Norinco standards
 
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