2025 Federal Election - 28 Apr 25

[Remius]

Many aren't going to agree with my views here.

Canadians seem willing to forgive and forget the Liberaty Party behavior over the last 10 years.

Depends on what they thought was actually important. After his majority win a majority of Canadians voted against that party. Each election after the LPC was weakened a bit. But if your opponents are ineffective it makes winning easier.

The party kept 45% of their promises across 10 years yet Canadians are going gaga over even more election promises, even bigger decicits, and a clear intent not to utilize our resources.

Are they? Going gaga? Both parties are doing the exact same thing.

Poilievre shouldn't have had to do anything to win based solely on the LPC's behavior.

And yet that was his exact plan. Just do nothing and win. But for years the CPC made everything about TRUDEAU. Not the LPC, not party itself but the leader. It worked. Until he left. Then they actually had to do more than just sit there.

Dis you watch the 15 minute video FBJ posted about the Liberals?

No.

 

[Halifax Tar]

If Carney wins and makes an absolute shit show of Canada over the next 4 years is it Canadian voters fault for voting him in or Poilievres fault for not being a more attractive candidate?

Canadians get the Gov the vote for. If Canadians want four more years of Liberal leadership then it's on Canadians.

Canadians are like large mouth bass in June shiny new things are completely encapsulating to their attention.

 

[Remius]

Blaming Canadians has stared early. I can’t wait to see all the “I’m moving” stuff next.

The results aren’t even in LOL.

 

[Jarnhamar]

To oversimplify, that's a lot of words for "it'll never be PP's fault."

Are Republicans responsible for voting Trump in, and thus guilty of enabling him? Or is it just Biden and Harris's fault he was elected?

Were just seeing this differently. I think voters share responsibility for bad politicians getting voted in. Don't vote Liberal then blame others when they screw up, own it.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Blaming Canadians has stared early. I can’t wait to see all the “I’m moving” stuff next.

The results aren’t even in LOL.

Maybe ? But that's not how I see it.

Its not blame, it's a fact. Just like it's been on Canadians since we started holding elections.

If Canadians give the LPC mandate then it's on them. If they give the CPC a mandate it's on them.

Canadians get the Gov they vote for.

And this election reminds me of 2015 and the hype that was around JT.

 

[CBH99]

With Trudeau gone there is an opportunity for a new game - if they want to.

With the LPC admitting/letting it slip that Carney's platform had initially been created for Trudeau, but then given to Carney after the leadership race, I don't know if that opportunity ever truly existed...

That opportunity should have existed. It NEEDED to exist. I hope it somehow still does.

 

[Remius]

Maybe ? But that's not how I see it.

Its not blame, it's a fact. Just like it's been on Canadians since we started holding elections.

If Canadians give the LPC mandate then it's on them. If they give the CPC a mandate it's on them.

Canadians get the Gov they vote for.

Well that is a given. But they vote for what’s on offer and what they think a gvt will do or vote for lessers of several evils .

And this election reminds me of 2015 and the hype that was around JT.

You and I are seeing far different things if we are talking about hype. What is similar? PP has the crowds trudeau had and seems to have the youth vote.

Not quite seeing that with Carney tbh.

2015 was the end of 10 tired years of Harper. Trudeau campaigned on sunny ways, name recognition and celebrity politics . Is that really what you see with Carney?

 

[CBH99]

$10000? I'm going to lose about around $50000 in loss gun value. I feel you're pain. I wager we'll be losing alot more in time with Poly on the ballet.

So if either of you were so inclined to move here to Alberta, you wouldn't stand to lose anything in gun values...

(Please be the LAST people to turn in your guns. Or just don't. You didn't commit a crime with them, you use & transport them in accordance with the law, and the government themselves gave you permission to own them when they issued you a PAL. They want them? They can come pick them up then, at the very least...)

 

[The Bread Guy]

Are Republicans responsible for voting Trump in, and thus guilty of enabling him? Or is it just Biden and Harris's fault he was elected?

Other way round here: Biden and Harris have to take the hit for losing.

Were just seeing this differently. I think voters share responsibility for bad politicians getting voted in. Don't vote Liberal then blame others when they screw up, own it.

I can live with voters playing a role. But folks in charge can change course to improve the odds of getting a chance to give it a go. At a consumer level, a lot of people said Beta was better than VHS, but we saw how that went.

 

[Halifax Tar]

2015 was the end of 10 tired years of Harper. Trudeau campaigned on sunny ways, name recognition and celebrity politics . Is that really what you see with Carney?

I dunno Carney has had Celebrity endorsements, and he's been asked to 'save us daddy'.

I see lots of super pumped LPC voters. But they are on scooters and with walkers so I will admit the energy level may be more aquafit than rock show.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Other way round here: Biden and Harris have to take the hit for losing.

They're responsible too, just like Poilievre is.

I liked (but hated) what Brad said about Poilievre failing to pivot and failing to switch from attack mode to seeming like a leader. Hit the nail on the head.

Voters are still complicit in the behavior of the politicians they vote in.

If Poilievre was voted in and banned abortions the next day you can bet Conservative voters would be held accountable to it, not just Poilievre.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I can’t wait to see all the “I’m moving” stuff next.

That's one way to help fix the housing problem.

 

[CBH99]

rudeau campaigned on sunny ways, name recognition and celebrity politics . Is that really what you see with Carney?

I know this wasn't directed at me...

But yes. I also see a lot of 2015 happening again now.


- the Canadian people at large are tired of who we've had as PM for the last 10 years

- in comes a new personality that is more charismatic & charming

- this new person has name recognition (Just like Trudeau had)

- this person is promising "sunny ways" (aka better economic times ahead) and is selling the idea that he can bring us better economic performance in the future because of his impressive sounding resume (which Trudeau never had)

- because he was the Governor of the Bank of Canada, and then the Bank of England, and "helped us steer clear of the 2008 financial crisis", etc etc is does have a bit of celebrity status that's certainly helping him big time

(Because his policies are the same, if not worse, than Trudeau's)


The LPC machine is behind him, which means our subsidized media tends to be behind him also. This has 2015 vibes bursting out of it

 

[Remius]

I dunno Carney has had Celebrity endorsements, and he's been asked to 'save us daddy'.

Oh for sure and so has PP. But Carney is hardly what I would call a celebrity candidate like Trudeau was.

I see lots of super pumped LPC voters. But they are on scooters and with walkers so I will admit the energy level may be more aquafit than rock show.

I’m not sure about super pumped voters. LPC party members maybe. They should temper their expectations though.

 

[Remius]

If Poilievre was voted in and banned abortions the next day you can bet Conservative voters would be held accountable to it, not just Poilievre.

if he campaigned on that yes. If he did not then not really. Would they be blamed by partisans? Absolutely. We are seeing this now already and the results aren’t even in.

 

[dapaterson]

Oh for sure and so has PP. But Carney is hardly what I would call a celebrity candidate like Trudeau was.

Carney didn't make an impact by beating up a FN Senator.

 

[Remius]

I know this wasn't directed at me...

That’s ok. It’s an open discussion as far as I am concerned.

But yes. I also see a lot of 2015 happening again now.


- the Canadian people at large are tired of who we've had as PM for the last 10 years

Correct but he left.

- in comes a new personality that is more charismatic & charming

I think perceived as more competent and calm. Charisma? Charming? Not so sure in comparison to Trudeau’s initial run.

- this new person has name recognition (Just like Trudeau had)

He has a good CV. Not sure he is or was that recognized by the average Canadian. Many are saying that people still don’t know enough but who knows.

- this person is promising "sunny ways" (aka better economic times ahead) and is selling the idea that he can bring us better economic performance in the future because of his impressive sounding resume (which Trudeau never had)

Is he though? His message has been that we are in for rough times and that he can navigate that. That seems to be his message.

- because he was the Governor of the Bank of Canada, and then the Bank of England, and "helped us steer clear of the 2008 financial crisis", etc etc is does have a bit of celebrity status that's certainly helping him big time

Economists don’t scream celebrity. At least not outside their own circles. His CV is helping him though yes.

(Because his policies are the same, if not worse, than Trudeau's)

That is the current Jenni Byrne character attack line.

The LPC machine is behind him, which means our subsidized media tends to be behind him also. This has 2015 vibes bursting out of it

How so? I’d like to see evidence of the media being behind him.

But I do see an adversarial position against the Legacy media that I think hurt the CPC more than it helped.

 

[The Bread Guy]

They're responsible too, just like Poilievre is.

I liked (but hated) what Brad said about Poilievre failing to pivot and failing to switch from attack mode to seeming like a leader. Hit the nail on the head.

Voters are still complicit in the behavior of the politicians they vote in.

If Poilievre was voted in and banned abortions the next day you can bet Conservative voters would be held accountable to it, not just Poilievre.

That’s more of a balance of responsibility there - and it would be just as shitty to blame people who voted for the winning team in either side.

Thanks for more detail

 

[Jarnhamar]

No.

You should go watch it.

 

[Eaglelord17]

I definitely like what I see from Houston. And don't particularly love Ford's non-crisis governance (That he skates on the housing crisis when Ontario's inaction is a huge part of what's driving the the national problem is crazy), but he's a "good man in a storm", and has shown a likeability, flexibility, and teflonish ability to shake off and move forward from mistakes/ scandals that keeps winning him elections.

I'd say it's a title he can justifiably "claim" but a claim that can't be conclusively awarded, if that makes any sense.

But there are some telling/interesting parallels.

Doug Ford was the Conservative answer to 15 years of increasingly unpopular Liberal governance. He met that challenge by winning a convincing majority, driving the Liberals out of party status. He has since won two more majorities, with the Liberal caucus having only grown back to 14 seats. This all happening in the key battleground of left leaning Ontario.

The reason Ford has done so well in Ontario is he basically is a Liberal. Fiscally irresponsible, definitely corrupt, runs on some populist policies which he isn’t married to (he will switch as the polls change).

It is why the Liberals can’t bounce back in Ontario he is running in their territory/adjacent to it much like what the Federal Liberals did to the NDP under Trudeau.

I didn’t even bother voting in the last Provincial election, none of the provincial parties really represent anything I value in government.