AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)

[PrairieFella]

T'is but a remuster away.

Fuck that noise lol.

 

[Maxman1]

It was actually ASA Instructor, a teach the teacher type of course to instruct beyond BMQ level weapons handling.

 

[PrairieFella]

It was actually ASA Instructor, a teach the teacher type of course to instruct beyond BMQ level weapons handling.

How does ASA compare to DFIG? Similar techniques? If you have experience with DFIG.

 

[Halifax Tar]

MP5.

Every time I used the MP5 I was blown away by the grouping I could get all full auto.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Are we still talking AOR and JSS?

 

[lenaitch]

Are we still talking AOR and JSS?

You're right. Way off track ()

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Are we still talking AOR and JSS?

Air guard on the Astreix with a MP5.......

 

[Maxman1]

How does ASA compare to DFIG? Similar techniques? If you have experience with DFIG.

I'm not familiar with DFIG. It's possible ASAIC is a rename of a previous course.

 

[KevinB]

I'm not familiar with DFIG. It's possible ASAIC is a rename of a previous course.

I think that is the Tanker version of IG/AIG.

 

[Prairie canuck]

The Cavour seems the best bang for the buck. They both have the same overall capabilities, except Trieste has the well deck and extra space, which if we aren't going to do operations that require it, we would be better off saving that expense.

The Cavour can also embark the same number of troops and tanks as the  Mistral.

The Cavour, Mistral, etc, are fine ships but they would not be something to sail north into arctic waters very often, if ever. Canada would need ships with similar capabilities that are ice capable to at least the same as the AOPS. A modified Wallenius Sol or more likely built for purpose Davies' GLAM. The focus now is on defending our sovereign lands in the Arctic and Canada needs capable ships to do so.

 

[Maxman1]

The Cavour, Mistral, etc, are fine ships but they would not be something to sail north into arctic waters very often, if ever.

Of course not. It's an aircraft carrier. Sailing the Arctic isn't its intended purpose.

 

[Prairie canuck]

Of course not. It's an aircraft carrier. Sailing the Arctic isn't its intended purpose.

They're of little use to the stated priority of defending the Arctic then. If the money's there then get something to project power into the arctic. Something to get the Army to where they're needed and land them with support from helis. If done right these same vessels can be used anywhere else they're needed away from the arctic.

 

[Maxman1]

They're of little use to the stated priority of defending the Arctic then.

It's of significantly more use outside the Arctic increasing our global presence and capabilities.

We have a lot more pressing issues than the Arctic. Politicians will mention Arctic sovereignty, but in real terms it's an afterthought and niche capability.

Even the AOPS have spent more time patrolling the Caribbean than the Arctic. Focusing on a lens of "everything must be Arctic capable" misses the point. And if something really went down, we would fly troops up to Iqualuit or Alert.

 

[GK .Dundas]

It's of significantly more use outside the Arctic increasing our global presence and capabilities.

We have a lot more pressing issues than the Arctic. Politicians will mention Arctic sovereignty, but in real terms it's an afterthought and niche capability.

Even the AOPS have spent more time patrolling the Caribbean than the Arctic. Focusing on a lens of "everything must be Arctic capable" misses the point. And if something really went down, we would fly troops up to Iqualuit or Alert.

But you have to admit that it's a marvelous excuse to avoid doing almost everything. Because almost everything isn't "Arctic capable".

 

[Navy_Pete]

They're of little use to the stated priority of defending the Arctic then. If the money's there then get something to project power into the arctic. Something to get the Army to where they're needed and land them with support from helis. If done right these same vessels can be used anywhere else they're needed away from the arctic.

There is no need to have ships carry planes for Artic sovereignty; there is going to be a massive expansion to the FOLs up north specifically to give planes and aircrew a place to operate out of. Airbases are much more sustainable for a presence that a ship.

A lot of things got tagged with 'Artic capability' to get project funding, because it's a buzzword that politicians and approval authorities at TBS like. Just like 'AI' is getting tagged on everything right now, and sometimes you slap fancy displays and LEDs on where a gauge would do the same job (and the gauge is still there). Sometimes you need to add a little sex appeal.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

But Helicopters are very important for arctic ops. In a perfect world we would also have a squadron of AW101 for transporting troops and equipment, along with a ship that could carry more than 2 of them at once.

I fully agree on your statement about buzzwords and funding, same goes for "Humanitarian aid".

 

[Navy_Pete]

But Helicopters are very important for arctic ops. In a perfect world we would also have a squadron of AW101 for transporting troops and equipment, along with a ship that could carry more than 2 of them at once.

I fully agree on your statement about buzzwords and funding, same goes for "Humanitarian aid".

For sure, and will be good when AOPs gets their helo capabilities sorted out, but the entire RCN Artic support really got kneecapped by the Nanisivik deep port scaling back to a small fuel farm that is only occasionally crewed. That could have included a small airport and maintenance facility with quarters to house people when you want to do significant ship/helo repair as a TAV, vice keeping people there all the time, but the funding got slashed.

The artic helo roles are really not particularly military like though, so if we want a constabulary presence with helos CCG or other departments could probably do the same job. Not sure what the polar icebreakers are coming with for helos, but using those for artic helo capability makes way more sense, as the Cyclones are way too big and way too few to support that kind of thing.

 

[suffolkowner]

For sure, and will be good when AOPs gets their helo capabilities sorted out, but the entire RCN Artic support really got kneecapped by the Nanisivik deep port scaling back to a small fuel farm that is only occasionally crewed. That could have included a small airport and maintenance facility with quarters to house people when you want to do significant ship/helo repair as a TAV, vice keeping people there all the time, but the funding got slashed.

The artic helo roles are really not particularly military like though, so if we want a constabulary presence with helos CCG or other departments could probably do the same job. Not sure what the polar icebreakers are coming with for helos, but using those for artic helo capability makes way more sense, as the Cyclones are way too big and way too few to support that kind of thing.

I think the Polar helicopters called for something a bit more than the Griffons can deliver if memory serves

 

[Colin Parkinson]

For sure, and will be good when AOPs gets their helo capabilities sorted out, but the entire RCN Artic support really got kneecapped by the Nanisivik deep port scaling back to a small fuel farm that is only occasionally crewed. That could have included a small airport and maintenance facility with quarters to house people when you want to do significant ship/helo repair as a TAV, vice keeping people there all the time, but the funding got slashed.

The artic helo roles are really not particularly military like though, so if we want a constabulary presence with helos CCG or other departments could probably do the same job. Not sure what the polar icebreakers are coming with for helos, but using those for artic helo capability makes way more sense, as the Cyclones are way too big and way too few to support that kind of thing.

CCG lease their from TC, along with crews. Get them to buy more of the same airframes but in gray. They be able to do a lot of the domestic duties you need in the arctic and at a fraction of the cost.

 

[Navy_Pete]

CCG lease their from TC, along with crews. Get them to buy more of the same airframes but in gray. They be able to do a lot of the domestic duties you need in the arctic and at a fraction of the cost.

Then we'd have to meet commercial safety standards and couldn't 'accept the risk'. That would ground most of our ships lol.