QV
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I certainly hope so. I was partly hoping for another Trudeau victory, but so long as there remains the LPC to carry the Trudeau legacy forward, I'd be satisfied with that.
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I certainly hope so. I was partly hoping for another Trudeau victory, but so long as there remains the LPC to carry the Trudeau legacy forward, I'd be satisfied with that.
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I'm so incredibly glad we don't hit F5 on the civil service with each change of government.
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Except... very clearly... PMMC is taking a full 180 on a lot of Trudeau-era policies, to the rejoicing of Blue and Red voter alike.
JT's Liberalism was an exception, not the norm. This fact alone means the CPC and PP's "Just Like Justin" blustering was just that. If Poilievre doesn't win the by-election, he is cooked. Even still, if he comes into the Fall session with the same old rhetoric, his leadership review will be the final nail.
The situation changed. Time to go back to the drawing board.
QV
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The Trudeau government won three elections... that isn't just a blip. And the Carney lead Trudeau era government just won again. PMMC said he'd 180 on a lot of things, I'm waiting... we'll see.
As to "if PP doesn't win the by-election he's cooked..." lol no shit. The CPC will certainly have to adjust to beat the natural Canadian governing party. And the LPC will need to adjust to avoid a USA losing patience with Canada.
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Carney is still an internationalist, citizen-of-the-world, pro-green, Europhilic, top-down-technocratic type of guy. He just doesn't wear a bleeding heart on his sleeve. If big-project infrastructure and military improvement are obviously looking like damp squibs and the federal fiscal position is still a sea of red ink in a couple of years, nothing useful changed.
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2015 - Canadians were tired of Stephen Harper. ABC was the rallying cry. Trudeau was a breath of fresh air compared to the stagnant farts the CPC had accumulated.
2019 - LPC only won a minority, with large thanks to Scheer fumbling the ball. Not the sweeping victory you think it to be.
2021 - COVID election. Much like the Stanley Cup winner that year, doesn't count as a real victory. Also is a minority government.
3 victories, yes, but... these aren't any more of an indicator of Canadians being happy with the LPC, or just unimpressed with the CPC. I would say 2025's election kept with the trend of "enh.... I would rather not."
Consumer Carbon Tax repeal- Done
NATO pledge for 5% of GDP - Done
Bill C-5 - Done
Bill C-6 and C-7 - Done.
Major support from the CPC on all these bills - Done
This is all in just shy of 3 months of being in office. Keep waiting I guess.
They have had over a decade to do so and have flopped spectacularly in all occasions. They don't need to adjust to the LPC, they need to demostrate to the Canadian voter that they are a viable alternative.
PP is not one. O'Toole might very well have been. Scheer is not.
I think PMMC's plays so far have been fruitful. Especially if the DST play is a sign of things to come.
Basically we elected a progressive conservative. He’s grabbed the party apparatus by the scruff and is dragging it somewhat back to center: Blue grits who’ve felt increasingly out of place are happy, and red Tories who’ve been wondering WTF has happened to their party are looking across the aisle and seeing much more tolerable policy being proposed or enacted.
LPC and CPC have each been drifting outwards, and Carney has finally seen a big gap to run them up the middle.
I’m sure Poilievre will win the byelection, but I’m skeptical he can come close to recapturing the same amount of momentum and support that he had before. He’ll have a few months to prove otherwise to the party before the leadership review. Hopefully CPC are introspective to recognize they need to change the channel. Time will tell whether Poilievre is capable of doing that or if he just stays his errant course.
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I agree he'd be bashed about by POTUS47's backs & forths too, but I don't think even he would have flipped out against Trump & Co.
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Of course. Canada leans socialist and the LPC have pushed in that direction. I wasn't happy with PP's approach to the US either. I think his policies would have been better for the country, but I'm not too fussed he lost. There are many bonus' to another LPC win.
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Repeal of consumer carbon tax was a cheap political trick to save their asses in the election. Without removing industrial carbon tax, it's just hidden the cost from the electorate. We're supposed to be happy it's gone when we were supposedly getting more money back from the rebates? That's gaslighting 101.
NATO pledge for 5% GDP was being walked back almost as fast as our immediate 20% pay raise. It's really only 3.5%, with (important) economic projects counting as part of it. I personally don't think we're even mature enough to spend 2%, which ended up as a slight of hand by adding CCG into defense spending from the same folks that just ripped $1B of O&M money out of the CAF from the last 2 years.
Show me Energy East being shoved through Quebec and more tankers off the west coast and I'll believe C-5 is a success.
C-6/7 is a bill to pretend they don't have to do a budget. Half the cabinet is the same, they could have provided a budget and did not do it. Either Trudeau's previously ready budget was a train wreck, or the "fully costed" campaign plan wasn't actually fully costed.
CPC knows Canadians don't want an election again, trying to claim the Liberals "won support" is laughable.
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Not holding out hope on this one…
At least the Carney gvt is the most Progressive Conservative government since Brian Mulroney.
Even with a budget they would still have had to legislate the estimates.
Tough to budget when the current extremely disruptive trade relationship with our largest partner is simultaneously challenging what had been stable and predictable assumptions about revenues, and forcing radical rethinks about expenditures. We’re the end of June and already any budget passed in April or May would have been meaningless given events. Could they have stuck numbers on a page? Sure, but that would likely not have reflected the spring and summer’s fiscal tumult. Not committing to a fictitious budget is reasonable.
Sometimes you need to let major events play out for a time so their impact can be properly understood. It’s like putting in your retirement, having your wife spring divorce papers on you the next day, and expecting to have a meaningful personal budget in place that week, before you’ve even got a sense of what your new financial obligations will look like.
I would like to see a federal budget, but I also don’t want my intelligence insulted. If the accurate answer now is “things are pretty effed up and we need to let part of this shake out first”, I’m willing to accept that for a brief period. At least it’s honest.
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Happy to hear this:At least the Carney gvt is the most Progressive Conservative government since Brian Mulroney.
1) FTA
2) Acid Rain Accord
3) Environmental Protection Act
4) Privatizing Government Corps
5) Nunavut Land Agreement (lead to creation of Nunavut)
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Over three-and-a-half more years of unpredictability is a long time to wait. When does that excuse wear out?
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Gas prices went down almost immediately, and its been consistantly lower, even after all the market changes up and down. Do I agree that the corporate rate is political and hides the cost? Yes. But half a carbon tax is still lower than a whole carbon tax. Full disclosure I'm pro-carbon tax. Won't be allowed to trade with the EU free trade zone if we don't have one. So when working with Rome...
There wasn't a walk back. The 5% includes the 3.5% and 1.5% in seperate categories. That is litterally the plan.
The $9 billion has already be given Royal Assent, and treasury board is to disburse the funds to the CAF. Should be seeing the pay changes Aug/Sept timeframe. That's about as immediate as it gets for the federal gov't to not break their own laws.
Now if its a 20% pay raise directly or a 20% increase in the pay budget overall I don't know. I'm expecting them to do something like take the 20% total, divide by number of people to get an amount per person and then give that exact same sum increase to everyone. Which means Pte might get a 30% increase and Col a 5% increase. Gets the jr troops a better paycheque and keeps the delta between the ranks the same.
Tankers and the imaginary zombie lie that was Energy East both have absolutely nothing to do with bill C-5. At all. C-5 is about speeding up approvals and I think (can't remember) not doing double approvals if provinces have already done them. And it doesn't run over provincial juristiction. You wan't Quebec to play nice then talk to Quebec. CPC wouldn't do any better dealing with Quebec. Frankly they would do worse.
You’ve prefaced your question as if we won’t have a budget for three and a half years. Why is that?
