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Self Defence in Canada (split from Gun Control 2.0)

This out today from Team Blue ...
Also archived here.

Guts of the announcement ...
Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre announced the ‘Stand on Guard’ principle: a proposed amendment to the Criminal Code that would ensure Canadians won’t be thrown in jail for simply defending their homes, their families and themselves. Conservatives are calling on the government to introduce a bill enacting this principle this fall, failing which one of the party’s Members of Parliament will do so in a private member’s bill.

The amendment to section 34(2) would deem the use of force to be presumed reasonable when used against an individual who unlawfully enters a house and poses a threat to the safety of anyone inside.

(...)

Under Section 34 of the Criminal Code, Canadians have the right to use force to defend themselves and others from threats of force. But the law is vague and subjective. Too often, ordinary Canadians face years of expensive trials while violent repeat offenders walk free on easy bail because of Liberal laws C-5 and C-75.

(...)

Conservatives will change the law so Canadians can act with certainty when their loved ones are put in danger. Our amendment:
  1. Protects the Innocent. If a violent intruder breaks into your home and threatens your family, the law will finally be on your side – not theirs.
  2. Presumes Reasonableness. Force used to stop a home invader who poses a threat will be deemed reasonable; there will be no more second-guessing after the fact.
  3. Ends Legal Limbo. Canadians defending themselves should not spend years in court while criminals walk free. This law gives clarity to citizens, police and prosecutors.

    (...)
... and an anecdote shared:
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Google News hits on this story here.

MSM take on the announcement:
"Poilievre calls for more legal protection for Canadians defending homes from intruders"
Most other MSM so far is sharing The Canadian Press version.
 
This out today from Team Blue ...
Also archived here.

Guts of the announcement ...

... and an anecdote shared:
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Google News hits on this story here.

MSM take on the announcement:
"Poilievre calls for more legal protection for Canadians defending homes from intruders"
Most other MSM so far is sharing The Canadian Press version.
Presumed reasonable . . . until the court says it wasn't. Sounds like the presumption of innocence to me.

If the intent is to not have a homeowner charged in the first place, this probably won't do it.
 
This out today from Team Blue ...
Also archived here.

Guts of the announcement ...

... and an anecdote shared:
View attachment 95467
Google News hits on this story here.

MSM take on the announcement:
"Poilievre calls for more legal protection for Canadians defending homes from intruders"
Most other MSM so far is sharing The Canadian Press version.
This makes for easy politicking, but I’d need to see specific proposed wording for the law. Saying a use of force is ‘presumptively’ reasonable sounds great, but it doesn’t mean an investigation won’t still happen, and any ‘presumption’ just means the way you lean to start, potentially reversing an onus.

There’s no statutory presumption that police use of force is reasonable but, de facto, that’s essentially how it’s treated- though any use of force resulting in death or serious harm is investigated, in most cases by an independent external agency.

I could see, and would generally be fine with, an amendment to section 34 establishing a rebuttable presumption along these lines. I think it would be reasonable policy and would definitely be publicly supported… BUT we would need to be prepared for some ugly cases where individuals think it means they can take things to excess.

I’d suggest that it should include wording along the lines of: “such use of force in defense of oneself or others against an intruder in a dwelling-house shall be considered presumptively reasonable only to the extent necessary to deter or repel a real or perceived attack, or to effect an arrest of an intruder under section 494 of the Criminal Code.

For greater certainty, a lawful occupant of a dwelling house is not expected to measure with certainty the degree of danger presented by an intruder, however any use of force must not be manifestly disproportionate.

For greater certainty, the lawful occupants of a dwelling house does not have a duty to retreat from a real or perceived attack from an intruder.

The presence of other lawful occupants in the dwelling house who are potentially vulnerable dangers by an intruder is to be considered in assessing the reasonableness of the lawful occupant’s perception of a threat. For greater certainty, it will be a mitigating factor in assessing any force used by the lawful occupant where young persons, persons with physical or mental infirmities, or persons otherwise less able to defend themselves are also present in the residence.”

That’s just me spitballing off the top of my head, but this would help build an explicit provision to afford lawful occupants of a residence greater latitude to use force in self defence, and in defense of others. It would also codify that defense of self or others in residence doesn’t let you keep beating the piss out of someone once the threat is gone or subdued, and it explicitly links the use of force to a legal citizen’s arrest. It also really buttresses a ‘last line of defense’ argument for protecting others less able to protect themselves.

Just my two cents as I think out loud.
 
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