Updated Army Service Dress project

[Colin Parkinson]

It is funny, because I meet women who will defend that bowler hat to the death.

The Navy one looks smart, but the army one was hideous.

 

[Eaglelord17]

As pointed ut by @dapaterson, the test exists to show people meet the minimum standard to serve. Nobody thinks that the person struggling to pass the FORCE test is "fit", just that they meet the minimum standard.


So, the real issue wasn't that they were unfit, it was that the person was a POS. Linking the two is just a way to rationalize your predisposition toward a particular look.

Those highschoolers are the future, so how do you propose to get them into better shape, apart from complaining about one fat Stoker was and how the rest of us who still serve don't always fit your image of a perfect CAF member?

If your solution is as bad as your solution to uniforms not fitting women, perhaps consider yourself lucky you aren't still in...

Fitness is part of them being a POS. The minimum standard is below the floor. I can point out plenty of examples of people I have met who could pass the minimum but not succeed at the job. Everyone else is then working harder to make up for their weakness.

If fitness isn’t important to you, maybe it should be. The Protecteur fire illustrated how important fitness is for Naval members. Keeping peoples weight down is also important for casualty clearing, both moving casualties and being the casualties. Not to mention you need to be fit to do said task.

I would make the highschoolers meet the standard by physically training them. You can mold people into what you need, that is the whole point in training. Personally I would up the standards not drop them. Having low standards really doesn’t help morale. It causes your better troops to question why they are there and it allows your sick, lame, and lazy to keep on going, in spite of it dragging down the rest.

 

[Furniture]

I can point out plenty of examples of people I have met who could pass the minimum but not succeed at the job.

I can point ot lots of fit people who are toxic and useless, but they aren't that way because they cut a fine figure in their DEUs.

Fitness is part of them being a POS. The minimum standard is below the floor. I can point out plenty of examples of people I have met who could pass the minimum but not succeed at the job. Everyone else is then working harder to make up for their weakness.

If fitness isn’t important to you, maybe it should be. The Protecteur fire illustrated how important fitness is for Naval members. Keeping peoples weight down is also important for casualty clearing, both moving casualties and being the casualties. Not to mention you need to be fit to do said task.

I never said fitness wasn't important, just that it isn't as important as some of you pretend.

The PRO fire highlighted a lot of issues, fitness was way down at the bottom of list of issues.

Having low standards really doesn’t help morale. It causes your better troops to question why they are there and it allows your sick, lame, and lazy to keep on going, in spite of it dragging down the rest.

"Better" troops because they lift sandbags faster, or better at actually doing the job?

 

[rmc_wannabe]

So.... anyways.

Things look to be moving along nicely with the project, eh? Not bad for checks notes 2 and a half years.

 

[Halifax Tar]

So.... anyways.

Things look to be moving along nicely with the project, eh? Not bad for checks notes 2 and a half years.

What's the temperature in the Army on these new DEUs ?

 

[rmc_wannabe]

What's the temperature in the Army on these new DEUs ?

Most of the Cpl Underground I have had interactions with are chomping at the bit to get the new ones.

It has the LCF in spades, and it also promises to be a pretty galactic leap in comfort, both due to better sizing and materials.

I think most RSMs and senior leaders are hesitant, if only to make sure we get it right the first time.

Most of the push back I hear is from folks who will never have this affect them personally; so naturally, they are the loudest dissenters of the bunch.

 

[markppcli]

Most of the Cpl Underground I have had interactions with are chomping at the bit to get the new ones.

It has the LCF in spades, and it also promises to be a pretty galactic leap in comfort, both due to better sizing and materials.

I think most RSMs and senior leaders are hesitant, if only to make sure we get it right the first time.

Most of the push back I hear is from folks who will never have this affect them personally; so naturally, they are the loudest dissenters of the bunch.

I think most people are in favour of it. The concerns are largely about how we’ll enact the change over.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

I think most people are in favour of it. The concerns are largely about how we’ll enact the change over.

I think the CCA's "No Hodgepodge" stipulation in approving the project is going to be what saves us.

 

[PrairieFella]

I think Remembrance Day 2026 will be the first in these new uniforms right?

 

[WestIsle]

So.... anyways.

Things look to be moving along nicely with the project, eh? Not bad for checks notes 2 and a half years.

It could have been rolling out already but no new funds were provided by the government even as there will be now gaps in service uniform issuing to new members.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

It could have been rolling out already but no new funds were provided by the government even as there will be now gaps in service uniform issuing to new members.

This was an ADM(Mat) decision from what I remember?

 

[daftandbarmy]

Fitness is part of them being a POS. The minimum standard is below the floor. I can point out plenty of examples of people I have met who could pass the minimum but not succeed at the job. Everyone else is then working harder to make up for their weakness.

If fitness isn’t important to you, maybe it should be. The Protecteur fire illustrated how important fitness is for Naval members. Keeping peoples weight down is also important for casualty clearing, both moving casualties and being the casualties. Not to mention you need to be fit to do said task.

I would make the highschoolers meet the standard by physically training them. You can mold people into what you need, that is the whole point in training. Personally I would up the standards not drop them. Having low standards really doesn’t help morale. It causes your better troops to question why they are there and it allows your sick, lame, and lazy to keep on going, in spite of it dragging down the rest.

FWIW after the Falklands War, in the British Army, I recall that all the courses and fitness tests got much harder.

Although victorious, epic failures of fitness and endurance, leadership, training, systems and weapons and equipment in various quarters spurred a huge rethink and adjustments across the board in all three services.

The real thing tends to focus you on the most important things like being able to do the basics - but under extraordinarily difficult conditions

 

[markppcli]

I think Remembrance Day 2026 will be the first in these new uniforms right?

We shall see. Hopefully everyone gets it and then once complete we just make a decision to wear them on day X.

 

[Maxman1]

We shall see. Hopefully everyone gets it and then once complete we just make a decision to wear them on day X.

Just like with the new combats, I'll keep wearing green for a few months, just to screw up parades.

 

[WestIsle]

This was an ADM(Mat) decision from what I remember?

Powerpoints seemed to point at the government which is kinda in line with most other easy win small procumrent projects atm.

 

[Furniture]

FWIW after the Falklands War, in the British Army, I recall that all the courses and fitness tests got much harder.

Although victorious, epic failures of fitness and endurance, leadership, training, systems and weapons and equipment in various quarters spurred a huge rethink and adjustments across the board in all three services.

The real thing tends to focus you on the most important things like being able to do the basics - but under extraordinarily difficult conditions


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Makes sense for the army... How did the RN and RAF fitness tests change after the war?

It might be hard for this particular forum to understand, but the CAF is more than infantry. Does making a maintainer ruck longer and harder make techs better, or does it make army centric thinker believe the air force is better?

 

[daftandbarmy]

Makes sense for the army... How did the RN and RAF fitness tests change after the war?

It might be hard for this particular forum to understand, but the CAF is more than infantry. Does making a maintainer ruck longer and harder make techs better, or does it make army centric thinker believe the air force is better?

It wasn't just fitness stuff.

The 'amazing melting frigates', for example, didn't work out so well.

 

[Furniture]

It wasn't just fitness stuff.

The 'amazing melting frigates', for example, didn't work out so well.

Fair enough, I have spent enough tine in damage school learning about the lessons from the RN in the Falklands.

My point was more about the reality the CAF faces. As a single service, the base standard needs to be applicable to all three elements, not just the light infantry.

I'd love to see an element specific PT test, so that we could capture if people are fit for the gym, or fit for bunker gear, SCBA, and hoses in a real fire.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Fair enough, I have spent enough tine in damage school learning about the lessons from the RN in the Falklands.

My point was more about the reality the CAF faces. As a single service, the base standard needs to be applicable to all three elements, not just the light infantry.

I'd love to see an element specific PT test, so that we could capture if people are fit for the gym, or fit for bunker gear, SCBA, and hoses in a real fire.

Dude... I'm a paratrooper. I went on exchange with the Royal Marines for a couple of years.

As a result, I had a chance to do a teeny tiny bit of 'damage control' training with the RN. I thought I was pretty fit so no worries, right?

It was insanely physically difficult. And terrifying.

IMHO if Navy ratings who are expected to fight fires are not 'Cross Fit Gods', or equivalent, we are indeed killing our sailors with kindness and, by extension, our ships....

 

[Halifax Tar]

Most of the Cpl Underground I have had interactions with are chomping at the bit to get the new ones.

It has the LCF in spades, and it also promises to be a pretty galactic leap in comfort, both due to better sizing and materials.

I think most RSMs and senior leaders are hesitant, if only to make sure we get it right the first time.

Most of the push back I hear is from folks who will never have this affect them personally; so naturally, they are the loudest dissenters of the bunch.

I think it looks pretty sharp. I wish the RCN would do some retro tweaks, not a full scale change but some tweaks.