The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[Kirkhill]

Manufacturer claims need to be taken with a large grains of salt.

Besides, endurance includes transit time; time on station is important.

Time on station is inversely related to transit time. Increase time on station by reducing transit time to zero.

Park the kites in Iqaluit.

Is Iqaluit any worse a posting than Fort Greeley? Or Thule?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Time on station is inversely related to transit time. Increase time on station by reducing transit time to zero.

Park the kites in Iqaluit.

Is Iqaluit any worse a posting than Fort Greeley? Or Thule?

Once again, fuel is the issue.

We try not to burn all of the local’s fuel supply. It is better to bring our own from the south and burn that.

 

[Kirkhill]

Anoyher couple of reasons why Bombardier and the Government might be interested in Saab.

IFC 2025: Saab teases future fighter concepts for Sweden

Saab has teased a number of designs it is developing for Sweden's Future Combat Aircraft Concept (Konceptet Framtidens Stridsflyg: KFS) effort.

www.janes.com

Sweden and Saab agree to enhance the Gripen fighter’s capabilities through the development of new launch systems

Yesterday, Saab announced that Sweden has awarded the company a new contract worth 1 billion Swedish kronor to advance the development of new launch

www.zona-militar.com

Sweden. and Finland, by virtue of their neutral status, have been forced to build up capabilities that Canada lacks. Perhaps it is worth the suboptimal purchase of a couple of squadrons of Gripens to acquire some lost expertise. Particularly in complex integration projects.

 

[Rainbow1910]

Anoyher couple of reasons why Bombardier and the Government might be interested in Saab.

IFC 2025: Saab teases future fighter concepts for Sweden

Saab has teased a number of designs it is developing for Sweden's Future Combat Aircraft Concept (Konceptet Framtidens Stridsflyg: KFS) effort.

www.janes.com

Sweden and Saab agree to enhance the Gripen fighter’s capabilities through the development of new launch systems

Yesterday, Saab announced that Sweden has awarded the company a new contract worth 1 billion Swedish kronor to advance the development of new launch

www.zona-militar.com

Sweden. and Finland, by virtue of their neutral status, have been forced to build up capabilities that Canada lacks. Perhaps it is worth the suboptimal purchase of a couple of squadrons of Gripens to acquire some lost expertise. Particularly in complex integration projects.

I am not sure it is worthwhile to attach ourselves to a nation/company who has minimal/no experience building next generation fighter aircraft and large drones to go alongside them, especially if it would require us to compromise by adopting yesterdays aircraft into a mixed fleet. There is many other better equipped partners to choose from if we are interested in evolving technology and regaining expertise, ones that likely won't come with the same compromises.

 

[Rifleman62]

Park the kites in Iqaluit.

There are no Holiday Inns in Iqaluit.

 

[KevinB]

There are no Holiday Inns in Iqaluit.

So TacHel only you say...

 

[Kirkhill]

The Air Force way

Get the locals to sweep the snow off and fill the tank while you fly it from your coffee pot in Ottawa.

MQ-9B gets Saab’s radar for a next-gen aerial unmanned AEW&C

Saab and General Atomics unveil an unmanned MQ-9B radar system for advanced aerial surveillance, offering persistent monitoring for naval and air defense.

bulgarianmilitary.com

 

[Czech_pivo]

Which announcement do people think will come first - our decision on the F35, beyond the 16 we are already getting, and/or the Gripen ongoing saga or the sub decision?

With the King/Queen of Sweden arriving on 18 Nov through 20 Nov, it would look like the F35/Gripen saga might come to a head first.

 

[QV]

I can't believe this hasn't been publicly decided yet... are they using it as leverage with the US?

"If you don't lift tariff's we're going make sure we have a less capable fighter force!"

 

[Rainbow1910]

I can't believe this hasn't been publicly decided yet... are they using it as leverage with the US?

"If you don't lift tariff's we're going make sure we have a less capable fighter force!"

It has been stated that we're trying to extract the maximum possible concessions out of Lockheed Martin through this process, so I'd say it's partially that but also the Govt pushing this off due to the unavoidable optics of such a large purchase of a well known American system.

 

[armrdsoul77]

Which announcement do people think will come first - our decision on the F35, beyond the 16 we are already getting, and/or the Gripen ongoing saga or the sub decision?

With the King/Queen of Sweden arriving on 18 Nov through 20 Nov, it would look like the F35/Gripen saga might come to a head first.

Maybe S.Korea will buy some Gripens that will be assembled in Canada.

 

[Nvlgzr]

Maybe S.Korea will buy some Gripens that will be assembled in Canada.

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Or maybe to help GlobalEye along.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

Maybe S.Korea will buy some Gripens that will be assembled in Canada.

Speaking of South Korea, they have this new bird entering service next year called the KF-21. The version entering service is just the first variant of what will eventually be a full stealth aircraft.

 

[Furniture]

I can't believe this hasn't been publicly decided yet... are they using it as leverage with the US?

"If you don't lift tariff's we're going make sure we have a less capable fighter force!"

Less capable than our aging CF-18s? The first CF-18s came into service just over 43 years ago...

There is zero doubt the F-35 is a more advanced aircraft, but we only signed on 16 so far, and the people who make the aircraft and run the programme are actively trying to destroy a couple of our major industries... It's not hard t see why it's kinda hard to sell buying American right now.

 

[YZT580]

Less capable than our aging CF-18s? The first CF-18s came into service just over 43 years ago...

There is zero doubt the F-35 is a more advanced aircraft, but we only signed on 16 so far, and the people who make the aircraft and run the programme are actively trying to destroy a couple of our major industries... It's not hard t see why it's kinda hard to sell buying American right now.

Don't get me wrong, I am amazed at the things that the F35 can do and that are in development for it but before latching on to the claim that they are unstoppable remember that the F22 was tracked with 40 year old radar technology and downed as a result. The F22. fpr those too young to remember was the F35 of the 80's and 90's

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Don't get me wrong, I am amazed at the things that the F35 can do and that are in development for it but before latching on to the claim that they are unstoppable remember that the F22 was tracked with 40 year old radar technology and downed as a result. The F22. fpr those too young to remember was the F35 of the 80's and 90's

No F22 has been shot down, ever.

Do you perhaps mean an F117?

 

[Maxman1]

Don't get me wrong, I am amazed at the things that the F35 can do and that are in development for it but before latching on to the claim that they are unstoppable remember that the F22 was tracked with 40 year old radar technology and downed as a result. The F22. fpr those too young to remember was the F35 of the 80's and 90's

No, you're thinking of the F-117 Nighthawk, which was downed by fluke basically. The radar couldn't be turned on very long because SEAD detected it immediately, and by chance they turned it on at the same instant one had completed a bombing run and still had the bomb bay doors open, which ruined the stealth profile.

 

[YZT580]

No F22 has been shot down, ever.

Do you perhaps mean an F117?

yes, sorry