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28 K9's and 14 K10's and that enough to warrant a production/assembly facility??
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i think they were going to transition to building the Redback after?
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They didn't fire on Nanook1 RCHA sends a round down range up North.
I think that it goes well above mere assembly but probably short of the manufacture of all components in Australia. There are a number of Australian and individual partner companies involved and it appears Australian production will figure into the global supply chain for the K9.
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How about, it is enough to build a well equipped maintenance and repair shop that can assemble tanks from components and train maintainers concurrently?
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There's a lot of truth in that but I say squeeze them for everything they're worth. We need more capacity and competition here.
I believe so.
The original intent was also for 450 Redbacks, rather than the 129 they've ordered, and a second batch of K9/K10s which was similarly cancelled. They went instead for more HIMARS, littoral craft, free up money for nuclear subs, etc. Maybe they'll make small additional orders as the production run nears its end to keep it going, or perhaps it'll become their repair/overhaul facility for them?
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Germany operating on the same scale as Poland. 500 local HIMARS knockoffs.
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And bunches of Air Defence missile launchers as well. - 50 Systems (Batteries)
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And Skyranger SHORAD as well - 600
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If we want factories then we need to start upping the orders by a zero.
Germany looks to buy up to 500 MARS 3 launchers
Germanyās Bundeswehr intends to submit a budget request in the second half of 2026 to conclude a framework contract with KNDS for the procurement of up to 500 MARS 3, also known as EuroPuls, multiple launch rocket systems, according to
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And bunches of Air Defence missile launchers as well. - 50 Systems (Batteries)
Germany Plans to Purchase 50 IRIS-T SLM Air Defense Systems
The systems are intended for both the Air Force and the new Army air defense units ā a shift from previous practice
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And Skyranger SHORAD as well - 600
Rheinmetallās Skyranger 30 Chosen for Major German Military Order
Rheinmetall anticipates securing a multi-billion-euro order for Skyranger self-propelled air defense systems with the German Armed Forces by late 2025.
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If we want factories then we need to start upping the orders by a zero.
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200 + Boxer RCH155
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But this is also possible.
Germany Plans $4 Billion Purchase of 200+ RCH 155 Wheeled Howitzers
Germany plans to procure 229 RCH 155 wheeled artillery systems this year, at an estimated cost of 3.4 billion euros ($4 billion).
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But this is also possible.
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One 8x8 truck for launching all missile types, both surface-surface and surface-air, as well as LAMs and UAVs, that could also port a Skyranger 30 or 35 or a 155mm AGM.
The RCA is re-equipped.
Each vehicle seems to be in the 5 to 10 MUSD apiece range.
The RCA is re-equipped.
Each vehicle seems to be in the 5 to 10 MUSD apiece range.
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Not sure Iād want to put all (or anymore) eggs into the 8x8 basket.
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I don't really see how much more value the boxer version gives you over the truck version? I suspect the trucks ease of maintenance, road mobility, extra payload will outweigh any of the benefits of the additional armour. These will rarely if ever come under direct fire and will be targets by artillery and FPV drones, in which case the extra armour might not help.200 + Boxer RCH155
Germany Plans $4 Billion Purchase of 200+ RCH 155 Wheeled Howitzers
Germany plans to procure 229 RCH 155 wheeled artillery systems this year, at an estimated cost of 3.4 billion euros ($4 billion).
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If you want armour there is nothing to stop armouring the cab.
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Thanks for that. Quite informative. I saw a video similar to this a few years ago which included a segment showing a field replacement using a heavy wrecker.
My concern about using these types of modules has always been as follows:
1) practically speaking there is little usefulness in exchanging modules in the ordinary course of business that justifies the complexity and added cost of the end product.
2) German engineering is precise. As a result manufacturing a module-based system requires more accurate engineering and production which slows down the process and requires many more tools and dies than a simpler system. It's hard to scale up manufacturing without highly skilled workers.
3) There may, from time to time, be an SEV module which is critical to an operation, can't be replaced and may need to be changed from a failed chassis. But, those are rare circumstances. More often than not in the battalion scenario one can simply move to another vehicle. In most cases field repairs to the chassis are simpler than a module exchange, especially when the failure to the chassis is due to battle damage. The precision of the workmanship would make exchanging a battle damaged module (torn or warped steel) on a "clean" chassis difficult if not impossible without workshop facilities.
I can see the value in modules in some cases. I'm just not sure if the squeeze and cost is worth the juice at scale.