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28 K9's and 14 K10's and that enough to warrant a production/assembly facility??
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i think they were going to transition to building the Redback after?
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They didn't fire on Nanook1 RCHA sends a round down range up North.
I think that it goes well above mere assembly but probably short of the manufacture of all components in Australia. There are a number of Australian and individual partner companies involved and it appears Australian production will figure into the global supply chain for the K9.
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How about, it is enough to build a well equipped maintenance and repair shop that can assemble tanks from components and train maintainers concurrently?
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There's a lot of truth in that but I say squeeze them for everything they're worth. We need more capacity and competition here.
I believe so.
The original intent was also for 450 Redbacks, rather than the 129 they've ordered, and a second batch of K9/K10s which was similarly cancelled. They went instead for more HIMARS, littoral craft, free up money for nuclear subs, etc. Maybe they'll make small additional orders as the production run nears its end to keep it going, or perhaps it'll become their repair/overhaul facility for them?
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Germany operating on the same scale as Poland. 500 local HIMARS knockoffs.
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And bunches of Air Defence missile launchers as well. - 50 Systems (Batteries)
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And Skyranger SHORAD as well - 600
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If we want factories then we need to start upping the orders by a zero.
Germany looks to buy up to 500 MARS 3 launchers
Germany’s Bundeswehr intends to submit a budget request in the second half of 2026 to conclude a framework contract with KNDS for the procurement of up to 500 MARS 3, also known as EuroPuls, multiple launch rocket systems, according to
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And bunches of Air Defence missile launchers as well. - 50 Systems (Batteries)
Germany Plans to Purchase 50 IRIS-T SLM Air Defense Systems
The systems are intended for both the Air Force and the new Army air defense units — a shift from previous practice
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And Skyranger SHORAD as well - 600
Rheinmetall’s Skyranger 30 Chosen for Major German Military Order
Rheinmetall anticipates securing a multi-billion-euro order for Skyranger self-propelled air defense systems with the German Armed Forces by late 2025.
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If we want factories then we need to start upping the orders by a zero.
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200 + Boxer RCH155
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But this is also possible.
Germany Plans $4 Billion Purchase of 200+ RCH 155 Wheeled Howitzers
Germany plans to procure 229 RCH 155 wheeled artillery systems this year, at an estimated cost of 3.4 billion euros ($4 billion).
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But this is also possible.
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One 8x8 truck for launching all missile types, both surface-surface and surface-air, as well as LAMs and UAVs, that could also port a Skyranger 30 or 35 or a 155mm AGM.
The RCA is re-equipped.
Each vehicle seems to be in the 5 to 10 MUSD apiece range.
The RCA is re-equipped.
Each vehicle seems to be in the 5 to 10 MUSD apiece range.
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Not sure I’d want to put all (or anymore) eggs into the 8x8 basket.
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I don't really see how much more value the boxer version gives you over the truck version? I suspect the trucks ease of maintenance, road mobility, extra payload will outweigh any of the benefits of the additional armour. These will rarely if ever come under direct fire and will be targets by artillery and FPV drones, in which case the extra armour might not help.200 + Boxer RCH155
Germany Plans $4 Billion Purchase of 200+ RCH 155 Wheeled Howitzers
Germany plans to procure 229 RCH 155 wheeled artillery systems this year, at an estimated cost of 3.4 billion euros ($4 billion).
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But this is also possible.
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If you want armour there is nothing to stop armouring the cab.
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Thanks for that. Quite informative. I saw a video similar to this a few years ago which included a segment showing a field replacement using a heavy wrecker.
My concern about using these types of modules has always been as follows:
1) practically speaking there is little usefulness in exchanging modules in the ordinary course of business that justifies the complexity and added cost of the end product.
2) German engineering is precise. As a result manufacturing a module-based system requires more accurate engineering and production which slows down the process and requires many more tools and dies than a simpler system. It's hard to scale up manufacturing without highly skilled workers.
3) There may, from time to time, be an SEV module which is critical to an operation, can't be replaced and may need to be changed from a failed chassis. But, those are rare circumstances. More often than not in the battalion scenario one can simply move to another vehicle. In most cases field repairs to the chassis are simpler than a module exchange, especially when the failure to the chassis is due to battle damage. The precision of the workmanship would make exchanging a battle damaged module (torn or warped steel) on a "clean" chassis difficult if not impossible without workshop facilities.
I can see the value in modules in some cases. I'm just not sure if the squeeze and cost is worth the juice at scale.
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U.S. Striking Iranian Navy Ships With Ballistic Missiles
The use of ballistic missiles to hit adversary ships at long ranges is a preview of what is to come for the U.S. military.
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The U.S. military has been using M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) to strike Iranian ships as part of Operation Epic Fury. Since the current conflict erupted, the only munitions those launchers have been seen firing are Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) and Precision Strike Missile (PrSM) short-range ballistic missiles. PrSM has made its combat debut against Iran, and the newly disclosed operational details raise the question of whether an anti-ship version has been fielded.
Over the first 10 days of Operation Epic Fury, American forces destroyed 50 Iranian naval vessels “using a combination of artillery, fighters, bombers, and sea-launched missiles,” Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff U.S. Air Force Gen. Dan “Razin” Caine said at a press conference at the Pentagon this morning. U.S. officials have consistently stressed that the neutralization of Iran’s naval capabilities is a core objective of the ongoing campaign against Iran.
TWZ subsequently reached out for further clarification about what Caine was referring to here when he said “artillery” and for any additional information about the use of those assets against the Iranian Navy. A U.S. official told TWZ that HIMARS were used against Iranian Navy ships, but would not comment on what type of munitions they had fired or which ships were attacked that way.
However, U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) has released several videos and pictures showing HIMARS operating in support of Operation Epic Fury. As noted, that imagery has only shown them firing ATACMS and PrSM ballistic missiles. CENTCOM has also now explicitly touted the first-ever combat use of PrSM in the current conflict. U.S. officials have yet to confirm where specifically ATACMS or PrSM missiles are being fired from.
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Considering that Iran has a fairly sophisticated UAV capability and considering that Ukraine has shown a competent way of adapting their technology to unmanned maritime strike vessels, what are the chances that Iran will not be able to strike whatever they want in the Persian Gulf and Strait of Hormuz even when their ships and boats are all sunk?
At this rate there won't be a lot of oil coming out of that region any time soon.
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FYI
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More than 600 Ukrainian artillery soldiers finish training on new artillery system in Germany
At the Bundeswehr Artillery School in Idar-Oberstein, more than 600 Ukrainian servicemen have already been trained to operate the new self-propelled artillery system RCH 155 (Remote Controlled Howitzer 155), which has not yet even entered service with the Bundeswehr.. . .
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FYI
More than 600 Ukrainian artillery soldiers finish training on new artillery system in Germany
At the Bundeswehr Artillery School in Idar-Oberstein, more than 600 Ukrainian servicemen have already been trained to operate the new self-propelled artillery system RCH 155 (Remote Controlled Howitzer 155), which has not yet even entered service with the Bundeswehr.
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"I do not have to tell you who won the war. You know, the artillery did."
George S. Patton