Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Altair]

I don't get it.

Are we supposed to be upset?

 

[Good2Golf]

NORAD goes...

Then they start complaining about the "unprotected northern approaches" that Canada is doing nothing about...

Then... well I'll leave my tin foil hat off for now.

Would pausing this advisory group play into US hands somehow? I don't see how it could beyond a soundbite for their (and our) 51st state crowd.

Makes it easier for the U.S. to claim jus ad bellum in order to take action as it sees fit to secure Canadian territory in the name of U.S. defense and security.

Jus in bello and jus post bellum are minor details that may or may not be worried about by the current administration.

 

[Haggis]

The message, as I see it, is simple. Buy American or bye bye!

 

[brihard]

Makes it easier for the U.S. to claim jus ad bellum in order to take action as it sees fit to secure Canadian territory in the name of U.S. defense and security.

Jus in bello and jus post bellum are minor details that may or may not be worried about by the current administration.

I’ll contend the current administration is minimally concerned with any of those three. It does what it wants.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

I don't get it.

Are we supposed to be upset?

It is a new factor to take into account if one is so inclined to better inform one's understanding of our most important binational relationship.

"Upset" is an emotion or mood. As Gurney Halleck once said: "What has mood to do with it? You fight when the necessity arises—no matter the mood! Mood’s a thing for cattle or making love or playing the baliset. It is not for fighting".

 

[Blackadder1916]

I was an attendee at / member of that Board a few times in my career. It was a unique construct that had a tendency to be periodically ignored / undervalued by both sides, and was often performative. Nonetheless, these kinds of linkages can go a long way to lubricating the gears of binational relations, and so it is sad to see it go.

As to why? This seems aligned with American Isolationism as a trend / ne policy thrust, and is in keeping with the foundational aspects of Project 2025.

I reckon NORAD will be next.

When I count the years, it seems a little "mists of time" but about this time of the year 36 years ago I was in DC on the "Washington School Tour*". The briefing meeting at State for the Canadian officers (there were three of us - a LCol, a Maj and a Capt) was with the desk officer (and member) for the PJB. He was a pleasant enough gentleman, but seemed very eager for us to take him seriously. It was obvious that no one who mattered in the State Department paid much attention to his, or the board's, activities. One indication of that was having to host/brief us in the cafeteria.



* the Washington School Tour was the US Army hosting all International Military Students who were attending advanced officer courses at US Army schools. Most of the activities during the five days were social/touristy, but there were briefings/discussions at the Pentagon and State Department done by desk officers responsible for the respective countries/regions/alliances of the students.

 

[dapaterson]

"Upset" is an emotion or mood. As Gurney Halleck once said: "What has mood to do with it? You fight when the necessity arises—no matter the mood! Mood’s a thing for cattle or making love or playing the baliset."

Gurney Halleck is my favourite Star Fleet captain.

 

[suffolkowner]

I presume behind the scenes there a clearer picture of intent.
Are we not buying lots of American gear? HIMARS etc
cant be over a few Globaleyes vs E7s

 

[Lumber]

I reckon NORAD will be next.

NORAD goes...

Then they start complaining about the unprotected northern approaches

Then... well I'll leave my tin foil hat off for now

 

[ArmyRick]

OR does the USA really start turning up the heat on us economically? I mean really shove us into the brazen bull statue with the fire on high?

 

[Czech_pivo]

OR does the USA really start turning up the heat on us economically? I mean really shove us into the brazen bull statue with the fire on high?

You mean like violating even more legally binding trade agreements with us?

 

[Good2Golf]

OR does the USA really start turning up the heat on us economically? I mean really shove us into the brazen bull statue with the fire on high?

Anyone who believes for a second that things like this and more extreme to come no doubt, weren’t going to happen, were/are deluding themselves.

It seems the question includes consideration as to whether we apologize and bend a knee, or see what we can rightfully pursue in our own best interests on the balance of effects.

 

[YZT580]

Anyone who believes for a second that things like this and more extreme to come no doubt, weren’t going to happen, were/are deluding themselves.

It seems the question includes consideration as to whether we apologize and bend a knee, or see what we can rightfully pursue in our own best interests on the balance of effects.

Iran seems to have a solution that doesn't require bending a knee. Perhaps we should take lessons in intestinal fortitude

 

[MilEME09]

You mean like violating even more legally binding trade agreements with us?

America will continue to punish us for wanting to be dependent on them, while also punishing us for moving to become dependent on them. Its a self licking ice cream cone

Edit:

Its nice seeing politicans from both sides of the house denouncing this move. With Erin O'Toole and Jason Kenny coming out swinging against this.

 

[HavokFour]

America will continue to punish us for wanting to be dependent on them, while also punishing us for moving to become dependent on them. Its a self licking ice cream cone

Edit:

Its nice seeing politicans from both sides of the house denouncing this move. With Erin O'Toole and Jason Kenny coming out swinging against this.

Nothing from Poilievre yet, but even I think politicians are allowed to take Victoria Day off. We'll see if he says something tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2056517362313003108

https://twitter.com/x/status/2056363582120489250

 

[MilEME09]

Nothing from Poilievre yet, but even I think politicians are allowed to take Victoria Day off. We'll see if he says something tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2056517362313003108

https://twitter.com/x/status/2056363582120489250

Nothing from the PM or DM either but I imagine they are on the phone trying to get an explanation

 

[McG]

Don’t we have a whole thread discussing the current US administration’s caustic behaviours toward Canada where the last two and a quarter pages would better fit?

 

[Czech_pivo]

Does this count as a win?

Agnico Eagle investing $14 billion in Northern Ontario mines

Ontario touts its fast permitting regime as a calling card to attract mining investment

www.sudbury.com

Agnico Eagle investing $14 billion in Northern Ontario mines​

These guys are doing ALOT of heavy lifting on getting things up and running in Canada.

1) The 14$ billion announcement in investments in Northern Ontario and now:

2) A 2.4$ billion USD announcement in the Arctic

Both of these sounds like a ringing endorsement on investing in the future of Canada

https://archive.ph/uyUeA

Agnico Eagle to begin redevelopment of Hope Bay gold mine in Canada’s Arctic​

 

[The Bread Guy]

Iran seems to have a solution that doesn't require bending a knee. Perhaps we should take lessons in intestinal fortitude

And how would that option work here?

 

[QV]

I wonder what the actual message is on this one? What precisely is this in response to?

Some in media are attributing it to PMMC's speech at Davos. Sam Cooper at TheBureau for one.