TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

[Ganon91]

I'm not as negative, as it's in Germany's interest not to screw this up given their aim to be a major sub supplier in the West (Korea, just by location, is always going be more drawn to supplying customers in the Asian region)

 

[Czech_pivo]

I can't post the article here given the source but the media are already, if not jumping then hinting broadly at, the "we chose an unproven design over a boat that's already operational" angle. There will be more. I would expect much more at least until we ink the deal with TKMS.

The same can be said about the Type 26 - unproven ship vs the FREMM.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Not very positive with this stuff, are you, lol

Is it that obvious ?

 

[Retired AF Guy]

Wait, explain that to me. How could we have 12 subs before we have fifteen Rivers-ships are a lot more complicated that a surface boat, so should we not have all the Rivers sooner?

Irving is producing one ship at a time with nine ships being completed by 2040. So that works out to one ship every three years. While TKMS will be able produce 4+ boats at the same time with 5-6 years per boat.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Irving is producing one ship at a time with nine ships being completed by 2040. So that works out to one ship every three years. While TKMS will be able produce 4+ boats at the same time with 5-6 years per boat.

As well TKMS will have 2 production facilities- able to work on 8+ boats at a time. How many Rivers concurrently will Irving have the ability to work on?

 

[Maxman1]

Interesting article from a German source, in which can be found confirmation that Canada will receive 4 boats by 2024

 

[SeaKingTacco]

As well TKMS will have 2 production facilities- able to work on 8+ boats at a time. How many Rivers concurrently will Irving have the ability to work on?

From what I have seen of the AOPS build, there will likely be 2-3 in various stages of build at all times.

 

[YZT580]

Irving is producing one ship at a time with nine ships being completed by 2040. So that works out to one ship every three years. While TKMS will be able produce 4+ boats at the same time with 5-6 years per boat.

isn't that what they were told to do? There was no urgency expressed by the Trudeau group. I am certain that they would have been spending more money and adding more capability if they had been asked/paid to do so

 

[Ganon91]

Ya, while I no fan of Irving and they have been bad players in many respects, if the government was not telling them they needed to produce boats on a certain time frame, they're not going to usually speed it up out of kindness of their hearts.

Now can the current government somehow force them to speed up? I'm unsure.

 

[Swampbuggy]

How about a pivot towards the fun stuff here. I think it’s been a while since we got into the naming of the class. I’m kind of hoping for “PREDATORY FISH” class, if that doesn’t cause too much clutching of pearls.

First boat: HMCS MUSKELLUNGE

 

[Nvlgzr]

How about a pivot towards the fun stuff here. I think it’s been a while since we got into the naming of the class. I’m kind of hoping for “PREDATORY FISH” class, if that doesn’t cause too much clutching of pearls.

First boat: HMCS MUSKELLUNGE

Or Whales since they have to come up for air. HMCS Orca

 

[Czech_pivo]

Or Whales since they have to come up for air. HMCS Orca

I’m partial to a HMCS Narwhal

 

[Genetk44]

HMCS Scorpionfish

 

[oldcpu]

How about:

• HMCS Ojibwa: Revives the lead ship name of Canada's original Oberon class, preserving the legacy of the RCN's post-war submarine service while honoring the vast Anishinaabe nation of the Great Lakes.
• HMCS Onondaga: Reclaims a highly distinguished Canadian submarine name from the O-boat era, maintaining continuity with historical underwater warfare traditions and the Haudenosaunee Confederacy.
• HMCS Okanagan: Completes the trio of legacy Canadian submarine names, anchoring the class's heritage in the interior waterways of British Columbia.
• HMCS Mi'kmaq: Honors the ancestral maritime nation of the Atlantic coast and Maritimes, providing a locally rooted identity for submarines home-ported at CFB Halifax.
• HMCS Nuu-chah-nulth: Recognizes the legendary ocean-going whalers and master canoe builders of western Vancouver Island, making it a fitting name for a Pacific-based vessel.
• HMCS Gitxsan: reflecting the river ecosystems and mountains of northern British Columbia, extending Pacific fleet representation upward toward the Alaskan flank.
• HMCS Blackfoot: Extends naval representation across the western prairies by honoring the historic Siksikaitsitapi Confederacy, ensuring inland Canada is tied to the nation's defense at sea.
• HMCS Salish: Directly connects the Pacific fleet to its primary operating environment by honoring the peoples of the Salish Sea, providing a distinct geographic identity without touching old destroyer names.
• HMCS Cree: Recognizes one of Canada’s largest and most widespread linguistic groups, whose traditional territory spans from the rocky Canadian Shield to the subarctic waterways feeding Hudson Bay.
• HMCS Mohawk: Honors the easternmost nation of the Iroquois Confederacy, anchoring a hull identity in the strategic St. Lawrence River gateway and eastern Great Lakes region.
• HMCS Inuit: Formally acknowledges the traditional custodians of the Arctic, providing a profoundly symbolic name for a submarine class heavily designed for under-ice operations and northern sovereignty.
• HMCS Dene: Completes the northern strategic tier by honoring the vast Athabaskan-speaking peoples of the western Arctic and Northwest Territories, matching the geographical scope of Canada's modern security mandates.

 

[Swampbuggy]

How about:

• HMCS Ojibwa: Revives the lead ship name of Canada's original Oberon class, preserving the legacy of the RCN's post-war submarine service while honoring the vast Anishinaabe nation of the Great Lakes.
• HMCS Onondaga: Reclaims a highly distinguished Canadian submarine name from the O-boat era, maintaining continuity with historical underwater warfare traditions and the Haudenosaunee Confederacy.
• HMCS Okanagan: Completes the trio of legacy Canadian submarine names, anchoring the class's heritage in the interior waterways of British Columbia.
• HMCS Mi'kmaq: Honors the ancestral maritime nation of the Atlantic coast and Maritimes, providing a locally rooted identity for submarines home-ported at CFB Halifax.
• HMCS Nuu-chah-nulth: Recognizes the legendary ocean-going whalers and master canoe builders of western Vancouver Island, making it a fitting name for a Pacific-based vessel.
• HMCS Gitxsan: reflecting the river ecosystems and mountains of northern British Columbia, extending Pacific fleet representation upward toward the Alaskan flank.
• HMCS Blackfoot: Extends naval representation across the western prairies by honoring the historic Siksikaitsitapi Confederacy, ensuring inland Canada is tied to the nation's defense at sea.
• HMCS Salish: Directly connects the Pacific fleet to its primary operating environment by honoring the peoples of the Salish Sea, providing a distinct geographic identity without touching old destroyer names.
• HMCS Cree: Recognizes one of Canada’s largest and most widespread linguistic groups, whose traditional territory spans from the rocky Canadian Shield to the subarctic waterways feeding Hudson Bay.
• HMCS Mohawk: Honors the easternmost nation of the Iroquois Confederacy, anchoring a hull identity in the strategic St. Lawrence River gateway and eastern Great Lakes region.
• HMCS Inuit: Formally acknowledges the traditional custodians of the Arctic, providing a profoundly symbolic name for a submarine class heavily designed for under-ice operations and northern sovereignty.
• HMCS Dene: Completes the northern strategic tier by honoring the vast Athabaskan-speaking peoples of the western Arctic and Northwest Territories, matching the geographical scope of Canada's modern security mandates.

I could get on board with that, absolutely. I still think I’m partial to an actual water dweller but I can see the argument for either.