Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[The Bread Guy]

As much I as think he needs to leave, he made a big mistake not letting Canadians see this version of him. And I dont think he can get it back.

Agreed on the yellow 100%. In spite of him appearing on more MSM than he used to, he still seems to be a bit more ... guarded? stiff? ... than he is on platforms where he's more comfortable.

Perfectly normal for a senior Conservative strategist who got Ford elected with three consecutive majorities to say this:

“When you elect leaders who are completely and utterly unaccomplished prior to entering politics and who have entered politics in their 20s, you are going to be very vulnerable to running against somebody who has actually done something with their life.”

“And why [Andrew] Scheer is still sitting in the caucus is the same reason why Poilievre will end up sitting in the caucus after he’s done being leader: because he is unemployable in any other job,” Teneycke added.

Kory's burned hard Blue bridges long before this, so it actually is "normal" - for him, anyway.

 

[MilEME09]

Magellan just got a contract to make M72 here in canada

Magellan Aerospace and the Government of Canada Announce Contract to Develop Canadian Production of the M-72 Light Anti-Tank Weapon

Magellan Aerospace Corporation ("Magellan") announced today that it was awarded a contract from the Government of Canada to produce the M-72 Light Anti-Tank Weapon (LAW) under Canada's Munitions Supply Program. The contract represents an important investment in Canada's sovereign defence...

investingnews.com

 

[Jarnhamar]

New details on Gordie Howe Bridge deal confirmed, following confusion caused by Mark Carney’s remarks​

New details on Gordie Howe Bridge deal confirmed, following confusion caused by Mark Carney’s remarks

The money the Canadian government is sharing with the U.S. represents the “net revenue” generated by bridge activity after operating costs have been paid, a federal source has clarified.

www.thestar.com

For the first 15 years, Canada will pay down debt incurred to build the bridge using money left over after sharing revenue with the U.S.

Seems like a strange mistake for someone of PM Carney's pedigree to make.

 

[dapaterson]

New details on Gordie Howe Bridge deal confirmed, following confusion caused by Mark Carney’s remarks​

New details on Gordie Howe Bridge deal confirmed, following confusion caused by Mark Carney’s remarks

The money the Canadian government is sharing with the U.S. represents the “net revenue” generated by bridge activity after operating costs have been paid, a federal source has clarified.

www.thestar.com

Seems like a strange mistake for someone of PM Carney's pedigree to make.

Carrying costs for the bridge are being paid whether open or closed. Some of the expenses covered under the agreement as well.

Which is better - some income now and the bridge open, or no income, continuing expenses, and the bridge closed?

 

[Altair]

Carrying costs for the bridge are being paid whether open or closed. Some of the expenses covered under the agreement as well.

Which is better - some income now and the bridge open, or no income, continuing expenses, and the bridge closed?

Never, ever,agree to a shakedown.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Carrying costs for the bridge are being paid whether open or closed. Some of the expenses covered under the agreement as well.

Which is better - some income now and the bridge open, or no income, continuing expenses, and the bridge closed?

I'd say the bridge opening now would be better.

What concerns me more is this:

a. A Harvard-educated former Governor of the Bank of Canada and the Bank of England made what appears to be a surprisingly amateur mistake; or

b. Prime Minister Carney knowingly provided inaccurate information.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Magellan just got a contract to make M72 here in canada

Magellan Aerospace and the Government of Canada Announce Contract to Develop Canadian Production of the M-72 Light Anti-Tank Weapon

Magellan Aerospace Corporation ("Magellan") announced today that it was awarded a contract from the Government of Canada to produce the M-72 Light Anti-Tank Weapon (LAW) under Canada's Munitions Supply Program. The contract represents an important investment in Canada's sovereign defence...

investingnews.com

 

[Halifax Tar]

I'd say the bridge opening now would be better.

What concerns me more is this:

a. A Harvard-educated former Governor of the Bank of Canada and the Bank of England made what appears to be a surprisingly amateur mistake; or

b. Prime Minister Carney knowingly provided inaccurate information.

Like I said, weakness is starting to show, overtly, and there is no one to capitalize on it...

At this point PMMC could broker a deal making us the 51st state and Canadians would think hes a god.

His popularity needs to tank, but it wont happen until an alternative exists and PP is not that guy.

 

[Altair]

I'd say the bridge opening now would be better.

What concerns me more is this:

a. A Harvard-educated former Governor of the Bank of Canada and the Bank of England made what appears to be a surprisingly amateur mistake; or

b. Prime Minister Carney knowingly provided inaccurate information.

Proposed Agreement in Principle | Gordie Howe International Bridge

Proposed Agreement in Principle Canada and the United States have reached agreement in principle

gordiehoweinternationalbridge.com

1. Economic Participation: Canada will provide annual economic participation payments, outside the 2012 Canada–Michigan Crossing Agreement equal to fifty percent (50%) of net bridge and crossing related revenues for the first fifteen (15) fiscal years of bridge operations. Net bridge and crossing related revenues is all revenues collected with respect to the bridge, less all incurred operating costs of the bridge. Such payments shall be made to a United Sates-Canada Economic Development Fund, established and solely controlled by the Government of the United States.

2. Eligible Fund Commitments: Canada and the United States will reasonably agree on the objects of the United States-Canada Economic Development Fund, which will be for the benefit of the United States and trade between Canada and the United States.

3. Toll Governance: Canada will direct the Windsor-Detroit Bridge Authority (WDBA) to inform the Government of the United States regarding proposed toll-rate adjustments during the first fifteen (15) fiscal years of bridge operations and to seek the United States’ consent where:

a. a proposed toll-rate increase (i) exceeds ten percent (10%) within any fiscal year and (ii) would result in toll rates that are above the average of comparable regional crossings; or

b. a proposed toll-rate reduction would result in toll rates falling below the average of comparable regional crossings.

The Government of the United States must provide its consent or notice of withholding of such consent within thirty (30) days of notification from WDBA, failing which consent shall be deemed to have been provided.

4. Crossing Agreement: Nothing in this Agreement in Principle shall be interpreted as amending, modifying or superseding the 2012 Canada–Michigan Crossing Agreement or the ownership, governance and financial framework established thereunder.

5. Implementation: Officials will develop and finalize the legal, financial and administrative arrangements necessary to implement this Agreement in Principle as expeditiously as possible.

6. Bridge Opening: Upon confirmation of this Agreement in Principle, the Parties will direct their respective officials, agencies and authorities to undertake all actions necessary to open the Gordie Howe International Bridge to commercial and passenger traffic on or before 27 July 2026. The Parties, along with the State of Michigan, shall also work together to hold a ceremonial opening event no later than 3 August 2026.

Wait a minute....I think we found out where Carney is talking out of both sides of his mouth.

The agreement looks like an MOU, but clause 4 means the original deal is still binding.

Like I said, weakness is starting to show, overtly, and there is no one to capitalize on it...

At this point PMMC could broker a deal making us the 51st state and Canadians would think hes a god.

His popularity needs to tank, but it wont happen until an alternative exists and PP is not that guy.

Carney may have pulled a fast one.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Would its be in Carneys political favor to keep Trump attacking Canada ?

 

[Altair]

Would its be in Carneys political favor to keep Trump attacking Canada ?

October 15, 2029 seems a little far away.

 

[dapaterson]

Would its be in Carneys political favor to keep Trump attacking Canada ?

His political interest lies in keeping Lewis and Poilievre as the heads of the other two major federal parties.

And also keeping May - she's the best thing to happen to anyone who wants to sideline the Greens.

 

[Altair]

Okay, so from what I can ascertain.

The Agreement in Principle, AIP, is set on american terms. But the AIP is unenforceable until clause 5 is hammered out. Until clause 5 is hammered out, clause 4 is in effect, the original deal.

So when the bridge opens, Canada collects the tolls and it everything proceeds as normal, except the net revenues sit in a holding account, waiting on resolution of clause 5. (Canada could spend it, but if the americans have their way they would need to refund it)

So Carney, being a banker, is probably going to foot drag this until after the mid terms, and create a economic dependancy that is harder for trump to just shut down.

Optically, its a win for Trump. Functionally, it depends who wins the long game and Carney is betting he can outlast Trump here.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Okay, so from what I can ascertain.

The Agreement in Principle, AIP, is set on american terms. But the AIP is unenforceable until clause 5 is hammered out. Until clause 5 is hammered out, clause 4 is in effect, the original deal.

So when the bridge opens, Canada collects the tolls and it everything proceeds as normal, except the net revenues sit in a holding account, waiting on resolution of clause 5. (Canada could spend it, but if the americans have their way they would need to refund it)

So Carney, being a banker, is probably going to foot drag this until after the mid terms, and create a economic dependancy that is harder for trump to just shut down.

Optically, its a win for Trump. Functionally, it depends who wins the long game and Carney is betting he can outlast Trump here.

This seems quite likely.

 

[Altair]

This seems quite likely.

Yeah, and he needs to walk a tightrope.

If he gloats that "he's got this" trump rages and turns the screws. If Carney capitulates in public, he looks weak to the public.

So he's stuck using contradicting statements without framing it in terms that would upset trump or the public, which makes a pretty intelligent banker sound like a he doesn't understand how money works.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

His popularity needs to tank, but it wont happen until an alternative exists and PP is not that guy.

You play to the level of your competition.

And there is no competition. No credible alternative. No one against which to test one's mettle. Steel sharpens steel. Opposition matters. And The Opposition (no matter who the party in power is) matters even more. It must be competent, credible, and a viable alternative.

I am begging the CPC to sort its shit out so that we get the most out of this government.

 

[Halifax Tar]

You play to the level of your competition.

And there is no competition. No credible alternative. No one against which to test one's mettle. Steel sharpens steel. Opposition matters. And The Opposition (no matter who the party in power is) matters even more. It must be competent, credible, and a viable alternative.

I am begging the CPC to sort its shit out so that we get the most out of this government.

There is no doubt the CPC needs to get their ducks in a row. Thats not my point.

Does Carney need a Trump to win, as much as PP needed a JT to be popular ?

 

[PPCLI Guy]

There is no doubt the CPC needs to get their ducks in a row. Thats not my point.

Did I misinterpret this sentence?

His popularity needs to tank, but it wont happen until an alternative exists and PP is not that guy.

Does Carney need a Trump to win, as much as PP needed a JT to be popular ?

As to this, I wonder why it matters? Although the parallel struck me immediately, I read it differently. It is one thing to be unable to pivot in time to captialise on a huge advantage against PMJT. It is another to be faced, like every other country in the world, with an undisciplined bully and thug who also happens to bound on destroying Canada....

 

[GK .Dundas]

There is no doubt the CPC needs to get their ducks in a row. Thats not my point.

Does Carney need a Trump to win, as much as PP needed a JT to be popular ?

That's actually a good question .

 

[Halifax Tar]

Did I misinterpret this sentence?

PMMCs popularity needs to tank, PP is not the guy to make that happen.

As to this, I wonder why it matters? Although the parallel struck me immediately, I read it differently. It is one thing to be unable to pivot in time to captialise on a huge advantage against PMJT. It is another to be faced, like every other country in the world, with an undisciplined bully and thug who also happens to bound on destroying Canada....

I think there is a lot of emotion in your statement, and I understand where that comes from.

But how much of PMMCs popularity is a direct result of DJT and his bluster ?

What impact would a more Canada friendly US Gov have on PMMCs popularity ?

As I asked before:

Does Carney need a Trump to win, as much as PP needed a JT to be popular ?