Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Jarnhamar]

Closed door debates still means it happens, bills still need to pass 3 readings and committee, I havent seen the liberals shut down everything on a single bill to ram it though. Ive also seen the CPC claim committee meetings were shut down when the official schedule shows there was never a meeting in the first place. If they want to demand transparency, they should start with them selves.

You're arguing process while ignoring accountability here. Bills still pass through the required stages.

That doesn't justify moving debate behind closed doors or blocking scrutiny. The Conservatives did X isn't a defence of Liberal secrecy. Transparency should apply no matter which party is in power. The Liberal government is attacking transparency, meanwhile Canadians are too busy worrying about Poilievre to even feign interest.

It's a Liberal majority (obtained through back door deals). Having a dancing Conservative simulacrum of Trudeau with an 80% likability nanos poll won't change anything for the next 3 years.

Edit: swapped a word

 

[Altair]

You're arguing process while ignoring accountability here. Bills still pass through the required stages.

That doesn't justify moving debate behind closed doors or blocking scrutiny. The Conservatives did X isn't a defence of Liberal secrecy. Transparency should apply no matter which party is in power. The Liberal government is attacking transparency, meanwhile Canadians are too busy worrying about Poilievre to even feign interest.

It's a Liberal majority (obtained through back door deals). Having a dancing Conservative simulacrum of Trudeau with an 80% likability nanos poll won't change anything for the next 3 years.

Edit: swapped a word

Thankfully, nobody cares.

 

[Altair]

MSN

Canada’s trade numbers delivered a striking contradiction in June: the country recorded its fourth straight merchandise surplus even as a weaker dollar, surging technology imports and a sharp pullback in aluminum shipments complicated the picture. Statistics Canada reported a $3.9-billion goods surplus, with exports and imports both reaching record values. Yet the headline was not simply a story of factories shipping more abroad. Currency conversion lifted Canadian-dollar totals, gold exports surged, energy prices weakened and data-centre equipment poured in from the United States. The result offers evidence that trade helped Canada regain momentum in the second quarter, but it also shows how quickly the balance can shift when a few large categories—gold, oil, autos, aluminum and computers—move at the same time.

Canada Records Its Fourth Consecutive Trade Surplus​

Canada’s merchandise trade surplus widened to $3.9 billion in June from a revised $3.7 billion in May, marking the fourth consecutive month in positive territory. Exports rose 0.4% to a record $77.5 billion, while imports edged up 0.2% to a record $73.6 billion. The surplus was the largest since May 2022 and exceeded the roughly $3-billion result economists surveyed by Reuters had expected.

Those figures make June look like a broad-based win, but the composition matters. Exports increased for a fifth straight month and were 22.8% higher over that period, yet only six of 11 major product sections posted gains. Imports reached a new high even though nine of 11 sections declined, because one category—electronic and electrical equipment—rose enough to outweigh most of the weakness elsewhere. The surplus therefore reflected several unusually large movements rather than uniformly stronger activity across Canada’s full export and import base.

In terms of what Canadians actually care about, the economy, Canada continues to show signs of resilience. And this is in the face of tariffs.

 

[HavokFour]

Green Party has started it's leadership race, Elizabeth May will stepping down in November upon it's conclusion.

Unless of course they have to bring her back again.

Green Party of Canada launches leadership race – Green Party Of Canada

www.greenparty.ca

And the race is on.

Nira Dookeran vs. Mike Morrice

Morrice getting the leadership may become an issue in the future for the Greens and the NDP in cannibalizing each other, he is very near a carbon copy of Lewis. The biggest difference I can see is him being an outspoken champion of the disabled.

[CBC]Former Green MP Mike Morrice announces he's running to be party's next leader​

 

[brihard]

And the race is on.

Nira Dookeran vs. Mike Morrice

Morrice getting the leadership may become an issue in the future for the Greens and the NDP in cannibalizing each other, he is very near a carbon copy of Lewis.

[CBC]Former Green MP Mike Morrice announces he's running to be party's next leader​

Question; with an NDP that suddenly has a bit of room opening on the left to claw their way back, what compelling case are the Greens able to make outside of the real hard environmentalists? It seems that they largely overlap the progressive left wing, and that most voters in that space probably view NDP as a necessary counterbalance to an LPC that’s moving back to center.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Question; with an NDP that suddenly has a bit of room opening on the left to claw their way back, what compelling case are the Greens able to make outside of the real hard environmentalists? It seems that they largely overlap the progressive left wing, and that most voters in that space probably view NDP as a necessary counterbalance to an LPC that’s moving back to center.

Because 'Communist' is soooo last Century

 

[HavokFour]

Question; with an NDP that suddenly has a bit of room opening on the left to claw their way back, what compelling case are the Greens able to make outside of the real hard environmentalists? It seems that they largely overlap the progressive left wing, and that most voters in that space probably view NDP as a necessary counterbalance to an LPC that’s moving back to center.

To be quite honest we'll have to wait and see what happens, depending on who wins. Morrice would definitely be the death of the "Tory on a bike".

 

[brihard]

To be quite honest we'll have to wait and see what happens, depending on who wins. Morrice would definitely be the death of the "Tory on a bike".

Sorry, “Tory on a bike”?

 

[HavokFour]

Sorry, “Tory on a bike”?

Green Toryism, or Elizabeth May's brand of the Green Party. Morrice is solidly further to the left of her.

EDIT: She put her thumb on the scale last time that saw Anamie Paul become leader to avoid Dimitri Lascaris, who ran on an eco-socialist platform from getting the job. Either way it was going to end in disaster at the time regardless of who won, and it did.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Facebook.comIn terms of what Canadians actually care about, the economy, Canada continues to show signs of resilience. And this is in the face of tariffs.

Per the last paragraph it looks like the resilience comes in the form of a few

Imports reached a new high even though nine of 11 sections declined, because one category—electronic and electrical equipment—rose enough to outweigh most of the weakness elsewhere. The surplus therefore reflected several unusually large movements rather than uniformly stronger activity across Canada’s full export and import base.

Should that really be considered resilience?

 

[Altair]

Per the last paragraph it looks like the resilience comes in the form of a few




Should that really be considered resilience?

Our imports of goods dropped in most categories, and the category it did increase was computer components for AI data centers.

So take out data center imports, yes, include data center imports, still yes.

Exports grew at double the pace of imports, again, in the face of US tariffs. That's incredible resiliance.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Our imports of goods dropped in most categories, and the category it did increase was computer components for AI data centers.

So take out data center imports, yes, include data center imports, still yes.

Exports grew at double the pace of imports, again, in the face of US tariffs. That's incredible resiliance.

I'm not denying the good news, the June trade numbers were positive. Just looking at calling the broader economy incredibly resilient.

The 0.4% vs. 0.2% monthly growth you're pointing to is a 0.2 percentage point difference, I don't see that as evidence that exports suddenly surged relative to imports. The article we're talking about says the result was driven by unusually large movements in a handful of categories rather than broad based strength.

Google says a big part of the export increase came from gold/metal and mineral products, while energy exports actually fell 10%. Meanwhile the main increase in imports was data-centre equipment. That's potentially a good investment for Canada's future productivity, but importing AI hardware isn't the same thing as Canada producing and exporting higher value technology. I also see a lot of articles pushing back against these data centres.

Looking at currency - the Canadian dollar weakened substantially, which increased the Canadian dollar value of trade even though both exports and imports fell in USD terms.

It seems like a trade surplus by itself isn't a measure of overall economic health. It just tells us exports exceeded imports. It doesn't tell us whether productivity, manufacturing, wages, investments (ENB just closed at $72.71 a share, ouch!) employment, or your favorite, GDP, are improving.

I'd call the June figures you posted encouraging and evidence that Canadian trade has shown some resilience despite Trumps tariff pressure. I'd hesitate to call them incredible economic resilience when the article itself says the surplus was driven by a few unusually large categories rather than broad based improvement (as mentioned).

 

[dapaterson]

Elizabeth May is more of a fill_in_the_blank on a bender than a credible political party... I have the impression she's waiting to be appointed to the chamber of (not so sober) second thought.

 

[Altair]

I'm not denying the good news, the June trade numbers were positive. Just looking at calling the broader economy incredibly resilient.

The 0.4% vs. 0.2% monthly growth you're pointing to is a 0.2 percentage point difference, I don't see that as evidence that exports suddenly surged relative to imports. The article we're talking about says the result was driven by unusually large movements in a handful of categories rather than broad based strength.

When the canadian economy fell into recession by a sliver of a hair, certain sections of the media could not stop talking about Canada being in recession.

But be that as it may, you're right. Things fluctuate from month to month. But good news, this is the 4th straight month of posting a trade surplus. So it's not an outlier.

Google says a big part of the export increase came from gold/metal and mineral products, while energy exports actually fell 10%. Meanwhile the main increase in imports was data-centre equipment. That's potentially a good investment for Canada's future productivity, but importing AI hardware isn't the same thing as Canada producing and exporting higher value technology. I also see a lot of articles pushing back against these data centres.

I don't get it.

People say we need piplelines to export oil and gas. Fair enough. Exporting raw resources for prosperity.

Yet, when we export gold/metal and minerals, also raw resources, we get talk of "higher value technology".

So which is it? Can we export raw resources, oil and gas plus gold and metals, for prosperity, or must we focus on processed resources, including in there oil and gas along with gold and metals, for higher value goods?

Looking at currency - the Canadian dollar weakened substantially, which increased the Canadian dollar value of trade even though both exports and imports fell in USD terms.

Lowering the CAD is a good buffer against tariffs.

Remember this post of mine back in Nov 2025? You even gave me an insightful response.

In a high tariff environment where the Canadian economy needs to export even more to make up for the shortfall in exports to the USA, a 70 cent dollar works much better than a 80 cent dollar.

Put another way, tariffs make it more expensive for Americans to import Canadian goods, but a 70 cent Canadian dollar makes it cheaper.

80 cent dollar just makes whatever tariffs bite more, because instead of something that costs 70 dollars, plus tariffs, will cost 80 dollars, plus tariffs.

I'm not saying that article is wrong, but I will say 2021 did not have the Americans tariffing everything and us needing to shift our trade around internationally in 2025 on their radar.

What is the CAD at? 71c to the USD.

It seems like a trade surplus by itself isn't a measure of overall economic health. It just tells us exports exceeded imports. It doesn't tell us whether productivity, manufacturing, wages, investments (ENB just closed at $72.71 a share, ouch!) employment, or your favorite, GDP, are improving.

Except those other metrics, Manufacturing, wages, GDP, are all improving in lockstep. If it was just this, or just GDP improving, or just employment going up, or just manufacturing increasing, sure, not a great picture of overall economic health. But all of them? Yeah, Canada is doing alright. Especially compared to the USA which everyone seems to think is doing gangbusters, but are really slipping right now as tariffs and high energy prices are acting as a major source of drag.

I'd call the June figures you posted encouraging and evidence that Canadian trade has shown some resilience despite Trumps tariff pressure. I'd hesitate to call them incredible economic resilience when the article itself says the surplus was driven by a few unusually large categories rather than broad based improvement (as mentioned).

Again, many months, not just June.