Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Cloud Cover]

"We can't do this ourselves" is a weak reason to support entangling ourselves with the EU's much greater laboratory of dysfunction. Canada doesn't need outside help to change its own rules, although external events can sometimes push countries to do things they should have been doing without being prodded.

We’ve had 30 straight years of piss poor health outcomes, tripled healthcare spending far above inflation. Added hundreds of thousands of staff. Spent and overspend on equipment and technology. Still the same. So we are dogmatically tied to what we have and it’s killing us. Literally MAID is becoming the solution. That’s our fix.

 

[Cloud Cover]

welcome to women's health care in this country, the system and doctors dont care. My wife had her Gall bladder removed, started getting pain right after, for five YEARS they brushed her off, then told her it was in her head, then the ER labeled her as a drug seeker. Then finally a female ultrasound tech believed her and checked where her gall bladder used to be, sure enough the old ducts were filled with gall stones causing pain. got her in for surgery and she was finally better.

Jesus.
Gall bladder pain is excruciating too.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Jesus.
Gall bladder pain is excruciating too.

Had mine removed in July. Been glorious ever since.

 

[lenaitch]

We’ve had 30 straight years of piss poor health outcomes, tripled healthcare spending far above inflation. Added hundreds of thousands of staff. Spent and overspend on equipment and technology. Still the same. So we are dogmatically tied to what we have and it’s killing us. Literally MAID is becoming the solution. That’s our fix.

Maybe there is a European solution we can look at. I am certain that the US free market, for-profit model is something we should not.

Temporary

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nackawic-mill-temporary-closure-9.7348719

We have the same thing here. The Ryam mill in Temiskaming Quebec has announced a 'temporary indefinite shutdown'; although they are still feeding it logs. They say they have been looking for a buyer for a while.

The wood fibre industry is not doing well.

I suspect the terms temporary, shutdown, suspension, etc. are done to not trigger, or at least delay, certain collective agreement provisions and/or labour law obligations, as opposed to declaring 'we're done' and turning out the lights.

 

[MilEME09]

Maybe there is a European solution we can look at. I am certain that the US free market, for-profit model is something we should not.

Canada's major problem is our administration to front line worker ratio. It is double or more most european health care systems. A lot of it is because systems have been allowed to decay, some hospitals still rely on systems etc that are 40+ years old.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Alternatively my son has received about the best healthcare you possibly can receive.

Born with the umbilical cord wrapped around his neck twice, was taken care of then. Then failure to thrive, was instantly re-admitted put on a feeding tube well they ran tests (MRI, bloodwork, etc.). After a couple months found out he has a exceptionally rare genetic condition (somewhere in the 51st recorded case range) which required research to verify (not just confirming a test, but genuine research).

Since then he has had multiple appointments with sick kids each year (pretty much the best childrens hospital in the world), pediatricians, nutritionists, physiotherapists, neurologists, speech and eating specialists, etc.

This child couldn’t have a better standard of care unless I was a billionaire paying for a ridiculous level of care.

If we were private I guarantee you he wouldn’t have received half the care he has. It would be constantly fighting with insurance companies who won’t want to pay for any of it.

The level of care my son has received shows me the system can work quite well, our issues are more self created. Underfunding and the cuts made to training doctors back in the 90s are screwing us today. We can resolve these issues without throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

We can easily point to egregious examples in our system, but we can also do that with the private system too.

 

[brihard]

I doubt such a "need" exists, although undoubtedly the opportunity would tempt a lot of people to pretend there is one for purposes of advancing various agendas right down to basic grifting. There is a rational path and an irrational path that could be taken. The rational path is to minimize changes; the irrational one is for everyone to throw up their hands and claim everything has to be completely redone. I don't concede that there are no people competent to take a rational approach and avoid re-inventing the entire wheel.

That’s a lot of words to say “I’ve never actually read the treaty.”

 

[Brad Sallows]

Alternatively my son has received about the best healthcare you possibly can receive.

By accumulated observations, I figure that if you immediately present with an obvious problem or have a diagnosis in hand for a life-threatening problem, you will get a high standard of care.

The failure of the system is in providing timely access through the gateways by which one gets to that care.

 

[Brad Sallows]

That’s a lot of words to say “I’ve never actually read the treaty.”

I don't need to actually read the entire treaty to understand that a complete rewrite is more likely to be a failure of imagination and will, or perhaps a motivation to tick other boxes, than a "need". I can guess that there are provisions that can be retained without changing a word.

 

[brihard]

I don't need to actually read the entire treaty to understand that a complete rewrite is more likely to be a failure of imagination and will, or perhaps a motivation to tick other boxes, than a "need". I can guess that there are provisions that can be retained without changing a word.

Turns out you do in fact need to read the treaty. It cannot operate without the U.S. Ipso facto, a new treaty would be needed. Certainly there could be copying of previous wording, however I think anyone reasonably informed on international relations would expect a rebuild of an eighty year old security architecture without the largest pillar thereof to be a bit more work than that.

 

[QV]

Yes, correct, but we will all bear the consequences except for those men who have strong opinions and personal motives, but nothing to lose if they are wrong.

"The communications from Carney's PMO around the EU "associate membership" story have been shambolic.

After conveniently timed polling on the EU question, the public reaction to the WSJ article about Carney seeking "associate membership" in the EU was enough to prompt damage control efforts from the PMO and to walk back the reporting that same day in the Canadian media.
Days later, Ursula Von Der Leyen endorsed Canada's "associate membership" in the EU, while Carney intentionally avoided that language in his own speech.

It has now been accepted by Canadian and international media that Carney is essentially seeking "associate membership" while his own government officials are trying to downplay the label.

The story is basically out of control. But politicians like the Messiah Carney leave little to chance, and there can be little doubt that this new front has been opened and it would be astonishingly naive to wish away that many months of negotiations have already occurred and a comprehensive draft- but by no means a final draft - have already been worked out.

Canadians are right to be confused about this and have every right to question what all of this will mean for them.

Why on earth would rational and objective Canadians be nothing but suspicious of a PM and PMO who have not been open and transparent our even truthful about the relationships we already have that are breaking down and crucially, an objective understanding why they are breaking down.

This is clearly a case of booting out the Devil you know and embracing the Devil you are told you need. But they are potentially the same, which is to say they are not for us or for Canada. We all know that. Our Threat Model and our Trust Model cannot just be whatever a PM conjures up and presents as fate or faith. No, we need more information and we need to be the ones who have final say."

The timing makes the recent blow up of the US trade deal all the more suspect.

 

[desindarfur]

I agree that at this point no one knows just what an associate membership in the EU will entail.
There will be lengthy negotiations before we have an idea.
One of the tings that I ponder is this:
Canada walked away from trade talks with the USA because they asked for unacceptable concessions from us.
Fine.
If the EU asks for similar concessions would that be more acceptable?

 

[brihard]

I agree that at this point no one knows just what an associate membership in the EU will entail.
There will be lengthy negotiations before we have an idea.
One of the tings that I ponder is this:
Canada walked away from trade talks with the USA because they asked for unacceptable concessions from us.
Fine.
If the EU asks for similar concessions would that be more acceptable?

No it would not.

 

[QV]

Turns out you do in fact need to read the treaty. It cannot operate without the U.S. Ipso facto, a new treaty would be needed. Certainly there could be copying of previous wording, however I think anyone reasonably informed on international relations would expect a rebuild of an eighty year old security architecture without the largest pillar thereof to be a bit more work than that.

The treaty can be ammended.

The US leaving would not dissolve the treaty.

 

[QV]

I agree that at this point no one knows just what an associate membership in the EU will entail.
There will be lengthy negotiations before we have an idea.
One of the tings that I ponder is this:
Canada walked away from trade talks with the USA because they asked for unacceptable concessions from us.
Fine.
If the EU asks for similar concessions would that be more acceptable?

If you go by the Norway example, the concessions would be far worse.

 

[brihard]

The treaty can be ammended.

The US leaving would not dissolve the treaty.

So you haven’t read it either, got it.

 

[QV]

So you haven’t read it either, got it.

Which specific section are you refering to?

 

[Gordon Dundas/]

I'm fairly certain that I would be enjoying a less then acceptable level of life enjoyment under the American system of health care .
I'd most likely would be dead by now .
And that's if I was lucky.

 

[brihard]

Which specific section are you refering to?

Have you read the treaty? When you tell me that you have and you still don’t understand the centrality of the United States I’ll explain it for you.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

The timing makes the recent blow up of the US trade deal all the more suspect.

That is one weak-ass troll.