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Re: Malaysia Airliner Disappearance
« Reply #100 on: August 07, 2015, 08:56:37 »
T6, you can find out more about the Malaysian 1MDB corruption scandal at this article on another site.

Meanwhile, anger grows among the families of the missing passengers who were from China.

As usual, Beijing allows people to protest against foreign entities of "covering up" while not allowing the Chinese government's actions to be questioned on other issues.

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Angry Chinese families seek answers about missing Malaysian plane
Fri Aug 7, 2015 4:01am EDT

By Trinna Leong and Michael Martina

KUALA LUMPUR/BEIJING (Reuters) - Angry relatives of Chinese passengers aboard a Malaysia Airlines plane missing for more than a year clashed with police in Beijing on Friday as French officials extended the search for debris on remote Indian Ocean island beaches.

Investigators on the French-governed island of Reunion have collected a piece of wing that Malaysia has said came from Flight MH370, the first real clue in one of the greatest mysteries in aviation history.

MH370, a Boeing BA.N 777, disappeared on March 8, 2014, en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 passengers and crew on board, most of them Chinese.

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French-led inspection of suspected MH370 wing piece is complete
« Reply #101 on: August 19, 2015, 19:32:59 »
Why do I have a feeling that the French investigators might have different conclusions, about the supposed MH370 part, from what the Malaysian government stated last week or so?

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Australia says French-led inspection of wing piece from MH370 complete
Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:58pm EDT

By Alwyn Scott

(Reuters) - An initial inspection of a wing piece from Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 is complete, Australian authorities said on Wednesday, raising expectations that new details about the jetliner that vanished in March 2014 could be released shortly.

"The French-led investigation team examining the flaperon has concluded the first phase of inspection work," the Australian Transportation Safety Bureau said in web posting.

"French authorities will, in consultation with Malaysia, report on progress in due course," the posting added.

The flaperon is a wing piece that Malaysian officials have said came from the missing aircraft.

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Re: Malaysia Airliner Disappearance
« Reply #102 on: August 21, 2015, 12:59:23 »
Shouldn't there just be one ICAO-led investigation instead of all these conflicting national authorities? Malaysians disagreeing with the French etc.

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MH370 debris exposes divisions over air crash investigations
Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:47am EDT

By Tim Hepher

PARIS (Reuters) - Air crash investigators risk being sidelined in a tussle to unlock the secrets of lost flight MH370, fuelling concerns that their role in making flying safer could be diminished.

By drifting on to Reunion Island, the barnacled remains of a Boeing wing part from the Malaysia Airlines jet have given the upper hand to a French judicial investigation, exposing for the second time this year how civil crash investigations struggle to compete with police-led probes.

For decades, reconstructions of disasters by specialist safety investigators have been seen as crucial to making aviation safer, with accident rates at historically low levels.

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Re: Malaysia Airliner Disappearance
« Reply #103 on: August 21, 2015, 13:31:16 »
ICAO sets up the guidelines for carrying out investigations and reporting format, but it has no investigators of its own. Each country decides how it sets itself up for accidents occurring on their territory. The US, Canada and many others have their own investigative bodies, but many smaller nations with more limited resources don't and ask for foreign assistance when necessary.

However, all countries usually ask for assistance from the various manufacturers, as may be required, when one of their models is involved in the accident (Boeing, Airbus, Bombardier, Embraer, etc). Often in such cases, the air accident investigating bodies of those manufacturer's country of origin will also ask to be involved for obvious reasons.

The real problem here is with France. It is home to Airbus, and if the crash investigator's work is blocked every time the judiciary down there decides to have a criminal investigation because a French citizen was onboard, it may make everyone not French investigating an Airbus crash reconsider getting any assistance from the French investigator or Airbus - which would be too bad because they both have a very good reputation for what they do.

P.s: Most people don't realize how powerful the French police and criminal magistrates are in France. It is to the point where you could almost call France a police state. You don't have basic rights there such as the right to remain silent (you must answer the "juge d'instruction's" questions), or the right of protection from unreasonable search, or the presumption of innocence (if you are sent to trial, the prima facie case against you is sufficient to force you to prove your innocence in order to be found not guilty).     

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Re: Malaysia Airliner Disappearance
« Reply #104 on: August 21, 2015, 18:18:35 »

P.s: Most people don't realize how powerful the French police and criminal magistrates are in France. It is to the point where you could almost call France a police state. You don't have basic rights there such as the right to remain silent (you must answer the "juge d'instruction's" questions), or the right of protection from unreasonable search, or the presumption of innocence (if you are sent to trial, the prima facie case against you is sufficient to force you to prove your innocence in order to be found not guilty). 

Same thing in Italy, or any other country that adopted versions of the Napoleonic Code. Like you say investigating judges have enormous power; they run the show. They can oversee the whole investigation and can tell the police who to investigate/pick-up/monitor/arrest, etc. A lot different from countries like Canada who derive its laws from England.
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Re: Malaysia Airliner Disappearance
« Reply #105 on: August 24, 2015, 13:57:17 »
The sea life found on the component may yield some clues as to the crash site location. Species, growth patterns, isotopes, genetic differences,etc.

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Re: Malaysia Airliner Disappearance
« Reply #106 on: October 15, 2015, 17:02:10 »
Another false lead?

Channel News Asia

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Malaysia awaits information from Philippines on MH370 wreckage discovery claim

KUALA LUMPUR: The Malaysian Transport Ministry has directed the Department of Civil Aviation to investigate a claim that wreckage of a plane which could be MH370 had been found on an island in the southern Philippines.

Transport Minister Liow Tiong Lai said the investigation would also involve the ministry's Air Accident Investigation Division.

"I have received a report on the discovery and it cannot be confirmed yet. We will let them investigate," he told a media conference after the 62nd MCA annual general assembly in Kuala Lumpur on Sunday (Oct 11). He hoped the public would not speculate on the claim.

One Jamil Omar had lodged a report at the Sandakan police station claiming that a family member discovered the wreckage in a forest at Pulau Sugbay, Tawi-Tawi in the Philippines early September. The report also claimed human skeletal remains and a 70-inch by 35-inch Malaysian flag were inside the plane.

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Re: Malaysia Airliner Disappearance
« Reply #107 on: December 08, 2015, 01:17:00 »
So essentially they are not positively sure that the plane had a double-engine flameout...

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Flight MH370 Update: Malaysia Airlines Plane Likely Had Double Engine Flameout, ATSB Says
By Suman Varandani @suman09 s.varandani@ibtimes.com on December 04 2015 12:50 AM EST

Both engines of the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 likely flamed out, suggesting that the jet was not intentionally ditched, Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) said in a new report Thursday. The news comes as Australian authorities showed their confidence over the area where the search for the missing plane has been underway for months.

The ATSB report said that analysis about the plane’s engines was made after a comprehensive study of the available satellite and meteorological data, including the final satellite communication transmission from the aircraft.
A search for the Boeing 777-200 has been ongoing in a remote part of the southern Indian Ocean for nearly two years, without any concrete clues as to what led to the plane’s mysterious disappearance. Flight MH370 went missing on March 8, 2014, with 239 people on board while on its way to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur.

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Another part of MH370 found?
« Reply #108 on: March 02, 2016, 19:14:53 »
Another lead?

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Wreckage From Missing MH370 Plane ‘Found’
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March 2, 2016

Wreckage from what is said to be the missing MH370 plane has reportedly been found.

The debris from a Boeing 777 - the same model as the missing jet - washed up on the coast of Mozambique this weekend, according to a U.S. official.

Investigators are now examining the find to determine whether it is definitely from the Malaysia Airlines plane that vanished two years ago.

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Re: Malaysia Airliner Disappearance
« Reply #109 on: March 06, 2016, 22:13:36 »
Yet another theory:

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Flight MH370 Update: Malaysia Airlines Plane Was ‘Deliberately Flown,’ Kiwi Expert Claims Ahead Of Disappearance Anniversary
By Suman Varandani @suman09 On 03/06/16 AT 12:59 AM

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 was being “deliberately flown” before it went down in the southern Indian Ocean, a Kiwi oceanographer involved in the search for the Air France Flight 447 wreckage in 2011, reportedly said Sunday. Rob McCallum, who works for deep sea search and recovery specialists Williamson & Associates based in Seattle, made the comments just two days ahead of the second anniversary of Flight MH370’s disappearance.

McCallum urged the Australian Transport Safety Board (ATSB), which is leading the search for the missing plane, to release the data set of search operations for analysis by third parties, according to New Zealand’s Stuff news. He has previously criticized the failure to release data as unprecedented in a commercial aviation mystery. McCallum, who spoke from Indonesia, reportedly said he believed search crew may be doubling back to look at a "debris field" target which they previously thought were geological features on the ocean floor.

"I think there has been human intervention and it's been deliberately flown and would have disappeared [completely] without the [forensic satellite analysis],” McCallum said, "
The important point is that this area has been searched before.

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Re: Malaysia Airliner Disappearance
« Reply #110 on: March 14, 2016, 12:11:06 »
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South African teen finds possible MH370 plane debris

Lynsey Chutel, The Associated Press
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JOHANNESBURG - A South African teenager vacationing in Mozambique may have found part of a wing from missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, which his family dismissed as "rubbish" and his mother nearly threw away, he said Friday.

On Dec. 30, Liam Lotter was strolling on a beach in southern Mozambique, near the resort town of Xai Xai, when he spotted a grey piece of debris washed up on the sand, he recalled. It had rivet holes along the edge and the number 676EB stamped on it, convincing him he had found a piece of an aircraft. So he dragged the piece back to his family's vacation home.

"It was so waterlogged at that time, it was quite heavy. I struggled to pick it up," he told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. The curved piece of debris is about 3.3 feet (one meter) long, and about half that length wide, his father Casper Lotter said.

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Re: Malaysia Airliner Disappearance
« Reply #111 on: August 05, 2016, 09:52:37 »
Aug 5, 2016

Malaysia confirms Flight 370 course was on pilot's simulator
http://www.680news.com/2016/08/05/malaysia-confirms-flight-370-course-was-on-pilots-simulator/
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia – Malaysia acknowledged for the first time that one of the pilots of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 had plotted a course on his home flight simulator to the southern Indian Ocean, where the missing jet is believed to have crashed.

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Re: Malaysia Airliner Disappearance
« Reply #112 on: September 16, 2016, 00:51:54 »
One question answered only leads to more questions:

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Wing flap found in Tanzania confirmed to be part of MH370
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SYDNEY, Australia — A wing flap that washed ashore on an island off Tanzania has been identified as belonging to missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, Australian officials said Thursday.

The flap was found in June by residents on Pemba Island off the coast of Tanzania, and officials had previously said it was highly likely to have come from the missing Boeing 777. An analysis by experts at the Australian Transport Safety Bureau, which is heading up the search for the plane, subsequently confirmed the part was indeed from the aircraft, the agency said in a statement.

Several pieces of wreckage suspected to have come from the plane have washed ashore on coastlines around the Indian Ocean since the aircraft vanished with 239 people on board during a flight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing on March 8, 2014.
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