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Re: General CFRC Questions – Regular Forces
« Reply #150 on: August 21, 2019, 18:44:33 »
I am not certain whether this would mean that I could become a paramedic/PCP outside of the CAF.

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Re: General CFRC Questions – Regular Forces
« Reply #151 on: August 22, 2019, 08:05:35 »
Additionally, is there any type of eyesight requirement for Med Tech, as I wear glasses and cannot find any information on the internet regarding this mater.

The website linked below has all the information regarding medical standards for the CAF including the medical category requirements for each individual trade. 

Canadian Armed Forces Medical Standards (CFP 154)

Annex A will explain what each component of the Med Cat is for/means as well as the Common Enrolment Medical Standard requirements.

Annex E will allow you to find the requirements for each trade in the CAF.


As for selecting a trade, whether it be NCM or Officer. my advice is pick the one you can see yourself doing for XX years.  Whether NCM or Officer, you may not be able to move between trades for a variety of reasons or factors.  Yes, Officers tend to make more in salary, but NCMs can make close to their pay.  Example, SAR Techs receive Specialist Level 2 pay and Rescue Specialist Allowance (starts at $595/month). 
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Re: General CFRC Questions – Regular Forces
« Reply #152 on: August 29, 2019, 01:06:03 »
I have a law degree from UK (but not a qualified lawyer). In the officer route, may I know what trade I am qualified for?

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Re: General CFRC Questions – Regular Forces
« Reply #153 on: September 12, 2019, 01:25:13 »
I have a law degree from UK (but not a qualified lawyer). In the officer route, may I know what trade I am qualified for?

Thanks!

cyl2chan,

If you have not already ordered one, you will require an acadademic credential assessment (ex. IQAS) to determine the equivalency of your degree. Assuming that it will state equivalency to a bachelors, you would qualify for all Officer occupations that accept "any bachelors degree" for Direct Entry (DEO). Off the top of my head, this list includes: Infantry Officer, Artillery Officer, Armoured Officer, Logistics Officer, Intelligence Officer, Pilot, Aerospace Controller, Air Combat Systems Officer, Signals Officer, Military Police Officer, and Naval Warfare Officer.

If you want to apply as a Legal Officer, you'll have to be called to the bar and be of good standing by the Law Society of a Canadian Province. It is a highly competitive trade and your experience within the legal profession will be given significant consideration.
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Re: General CFRC Questions – Regular Forces
« Reply #154 on: November 05, 2019, 19:15:47 »
Here’s a question for a friend,

My buddy, who wishes not to post on here, got a taste of the green weeny even before joining the forces.

The guy applied for a fairly competitive trade, but the dude could easily score TC on any course. He calls the CFRC ,as everyone does, for an update on his file as he was merit listed. Ole Joe the recruiter tells him “congratulations, you have an offer coming your way, expect a call Friday or Monday with the full details and offer package.

So Wednesday of the next week approaches and... no call, he calls ole Joe recruiter (Same guy) back and asks about his offer. He is told oh I don’t know what your talking about, there is no offer, you are 13 of 6 positions....

I had a hard time with this one and haven’t the slightest clue of recruiting policy so I’d like to hear it from some of you if he can do anything or does he bite the bullet and carry on to another trade choice?

Let er rip, let’s here some opinions. Thanks in advance.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2019, 19:27:10 by coyote489 »
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Re: General CFRC Questions – Regular Forces
« Reply #155 on: November 08, 2019, 01:05:49 »
Here’s a question for a friend,

My buddy, who wishes not to post on here, got a taste of the green weeny even before joining the forces.

The guy applied for a fairly competitive trade, but the dude could easily score TC on any course. He calls the CFRC ,as everyone does, for an update on his file as he was merit listed. Ole Joe the recruiter tells him “congratulations, you have an offer coming your way, expect a call Friday or Monday with the full details and offer package.

So Wednesday of the next week approaches and... no call, he calls ole Joe recruiter (Same guy) back and asks about his offer. He is told oh I don’t know what your talking about, there is no offer, you are 13 of 6 positions....

I had a hard time with this one and haven’t the slightest clue of recruiting policy so I’d like to hear it from some of you if he can do anything or does he bite the bullet and carry on to another trade choice?

Let er rip, let’s here some opinions. Thanks in advance.


Disclaimer: I have not joined the forces yet, but I have put together things I read and heard enough to maybe help answer your questions about your buddy.

Merit listed pretty much means he has been deemed qualified (meeting minimum requirements) for the job he applied and is now in an inventory. When an opening comes up, an HR person open the electronic inventory, clicks filter button like hiring a new mercenary in a computer game, looks over their stats (CFAT, TDS, and Interview scores), as well as notes on their background, skills (such as language), and other details about them. HR person decides who to match with any offers. Being merit listed only means getting a spot in the potential hiring digital group inventory for that job.

When the recruiting personnel called him and told him "expect a call Friday or Monday with the full details and offer package.", I think they meant exactly, or literally, that it is expected. A lot of people expect to have kids one day with their SO, but ends up getting divorced. This is usually due to unexpected events.

So when their expectation of a coming offer is squashed, the unexpected events can be probably due to a few things I can think of off the top of my head.

1. Someone with a perfect CFAT score (and from my experience taking it, I think it's definitely not uncommon) may have gotten merit listed during those few days, and the HR person picked them.

2. A list of candidates from the pool of existing CF members applied to transfer to your buddy's trade, and with some stellar recommendations by superior officers etc, they may have gotten bumped up the inventory ranking, ahead of your buddy.

So pretty much it comes down to: any time anyone more competitive than your buddy gets merit listed, he gotta wait longer. The unexpected can often happen. Hope he can find ways to de-stress and focus himself on keeping busy elsewhere.



When the recruiting personnel said "oh I don’t know what your talking about, there is no offer, you are 13 of 6 positions...."

I'm pretty sure they get hundreds of calls a week, and if they had to look your buddy up, they may not remember the exact words they told your buddy a few days ago. Maybe the first time your buddy called, they were sympathetic, and just want to share the good news that they expect, which they also hoped would make your buddy happy. The second time your buddy called, they checked the system, and could only conclude from the information in front of them, that he has yet to receive an offer, as well as his ranking within the inventory.

So pretty much, I think your buddy can simply find comfort in that the person that he called probably was not intentionally trying to dupe him. Anyone in the same position who cares about your buddy or is excited to share the good news would have also said the same thing they are expecting, but when the unexpected happens, they would not be able to follow through. Unexpected stuff happens.


"""does he bite the bullet and carry on to another trade choice?"""

I think if the job he applied is what he want to do, then ranked 13 for 6 positions is extremely good comparing to my experience at private and public companies, where there are typically 500-1000 applicants ranked for each 1 position we hired. And when new position comes out, we post a new competition. However, it seems that for CF, your buddy do not have to reapply for every position that opens up. It is automatically done for him. No 5 interviews for each 5 new openings coming up etc. If you ask me, this is a cakewalk comparing to the private sector I'm used to. xD
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Re: General CFRC Questions – Regular Forces
« Reply #156 on: November 08, 2019, 08:15:44 »
Thanks coffeeaddict, a Well put together answer,

100% get where you are coming from, however I was talking more in terms of policy recruiters have to follow. This seems a bit weird to me is all. Was hoping maybe someone with some first hand recruiting experience could step in and answer. Not much of a big deal anyways, the guy has moved on and selected another trade.
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Re: General CFRC Questions – Regular Forces
« Reply #157 on: November 08, 2019, 10:37:42 »
coyote489,

It may have been that the recruiter was simply looking at the wrong person's application when he was looking at the Competition List, perhaps the last person they talked to. I've even seen multiple people through the same recruiting centre with the same first and last name with open applications, which can easily cause confusion.

As far as where an applicant sits on the Competition List, it comes down to the CFAT along with relevant experience and education. Skilled applicants (previous CAF members applying to go back to their old trade) also always get selected over unskilled applicants. Letters of reference and knowing the right people are not even considered. References are used for determination of reliability and the provision of security clearances, not competitiveness.
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Re: General CFRC Questions – Regular Forces
« Reply #158 on: November 08, 2019, 11:15:22 »
Thanks coffeeaddict, a Well put together answer,

100% get where you are coming from, however I was talking more in terms of policy recruiters have to follow. This seems a bit weird to me is all. Was hoping maybe someone with some first hand recruiting experience could step in and answer. Not much of a big deal anyways, the guy has moved on and selected another trade.

BUCK_HRA is the mod-in-the-know for all recruiting questions. However, as he can be quite busy at times and this is strictly a volunteer gig, he can't always be here as often as he'd like.

Everyone else (unless they're a Recruiter or are in direct contact with one) can only offer possibilities or very limited insight based off their own experiences and what they think might be going on. Oversights occur from time to time and no one is trying to intentionally or maliciously screw over your friend.

Tell your friend to register for an account and he can PM Buck directly. It would remain private and there's no obligation for your friend to participate publicly on this forum. Buck could lend him the most insight of anyone.

For what it's worth, also tell your friend that my process from application to BMQ took almost 3 yrs--Oct 2011 to Sept 2014. (This is mainly due to the trade I first applied to.) Anyway, you can imagine my frustrations over the course and I was sometimes told conflicting information. At the time there was a recruiter on these boards who was tremendously helpful. Networking and patience is crucial in all walks of life and there are always those willing to help. Tell your friend to put himself out there if he wants answers.
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