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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1350 on: March 25, 2016, 11:41:34 »
Seneca CEOTP is a stop-gap - useful this year, maybe not so much the year after.  DEO/ROTP are the two preferred and ideal entry plans for any Officer position in the CAF.

There are zero privileges associated with any entry plan - you are treated exactly the same during Phase training and your follow on career.  Seneca-CEOTP mbrs will find their career advancement more challenging as the ability to pursue a Master's degree (for higher promotion) would be that much more difficult.
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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1351 on: March 25, 2016, 12:20:47 »
You may find these discussions of interest,

Becoming a Pilot through the RMC 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,90552.75.html
4 pages.

ROTP - Pilot (Not CEOTP)
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=111563.0

Applying to RMC through ROTP, to become a pilot in the long run... 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=83647.0

applying to ROTP for Pilot 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=80137.0

Pilot Applicants 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,13513.75.html
4 pages.

applying for ROTP? (Pilot)
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=107357.0

etc...

Thanks for this!

Seneca CEOTP is a stop-gap - useful this year, maybe not so much the year after.  DEO/ROTP are the two preferred and ideal entry plans for any Officer position in the CAF.

There are zero privileges associated with any entry plan - you are treated exactly the same during Phase training and your follow on career.  Seneca-CEOTP mbrs will find their career advancement more challenging as the ability to pursue a Master's degree (for higher promotion) would be that much more difficult.

Thanks, that clears it up now!
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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1352 on: March 25, 2016, 12:25:39 »
Thanks for this!

You are welcome. Good luck ( and good reading ).  :)

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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1353 on: March 25, 2016, 12:42:26 »
You may find these discussions of interest,

Becoming a Pilot through the RMC 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,90552.75.html
4 pages.

ROTP - Pilot (Not CEOTP)
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=111563.0

Applying to RMC through ROTP, to become a pilot in the long run... 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=83647.0

applying to ROTP for Pilot 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=80137.0

Pilot Applicants 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,13513.75.html
4 pages.

applying for ROTP? (Pilot)
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=107357.0

etc...

I have merged all of these threads into "ROTP for Pilot Applicants" at http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,80137.0.html, save "Pilot Applicants".

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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1354 on: March 25, 2016, 16:45:52 »
Seneca CEOTP is a stop-gap - useful this year, maybe not so much the year after.  DEO/ROTP are the two preferred and ideal entry plans for any Officer position in the CAF.

There are zero privileges associated with any entry plan - you are treated exactly the same during Phase training and your follow on career.  Seneca-CEOTP mbrs will find their career advancement more challenging as the ability to pursue a Master's degree (for higher promotion) would be that much more difficult.

I was trying to be funny with the privilege thing. Seneca program kids have priority loading on their phase training because they have a timeline to follow as far as returning to school.

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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1355 on: March 27, 2016, 13:17:14 »
Advanced flying experience (i.e. commercial or better) is of a lot of help, in fact. Otherwise less so. I had zero hours and did fine in Phase II though the learning curve was steeeeeeeeep.
I'd say it's useful for PH1 (in fact, it with enough previous experience, you'll probably get to skip), slightly useful at the very beginning of PH2, and completely irrelevant for PH3 and follow on training.

I don't know why anyone without a degree would do any different!
Maybe some people want a real degree? ;)

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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1356 on: March 27, 2016, 13:23:40 »
I would actually very cautious to send my friends the CEOTO route. Apart from the issues getting into post-grad with the Seneca degree, there's also the very real possibility of release in the event of course failure for CEOTP student pilots. There is a much higher probability of retention for those that don't make it through pilot training but have a degree.
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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1357 on: April 17, 2016, 16:30:20 »
Hello,

My name is Arooj and I am currently interested in joining the Canadian Air Force. When looking at several requirements, it's shown that a university degree is required to enlist. My plans for the future are to attend Seneca College and complete the Honours Bachelor of Aviation Technology program and get my Commercial Pilot License. Although the program is based in a college, the program is University standard and the credential obtained is a degree (not a college diploma). If i wanted to join the Air Force, my questions are:

-What kind of Pilots license would I need to obtain?
-Would my degree be okay even if it's from a college?
-Would I need to have previous flying experience? (I will be able to get 300 hours of flying in the program)
-How athletic would I need to be?
-Is there any way I could get a head start into joining the Air Force, as I would be graduating from my program in 2021

I am located in the GTA, Ontario, Canada.

I would really appreciate any answers to my questions!

Thanks,
Arooj

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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1358 on: April 17, 2016, 18:22:53 »
My plans for the future are to attend Seneca College and complete the Honours Bachelor of Aviation Technology program and get my Commercial Pilot License.

Some Seneca College discussions you may find of interest,

CEOTP-The Seneca College Pilot Program FAQs 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,105937.50.html
3 pages.

RCAF-Seneca Pilot Partnership 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,106261.75.html
4 pages.

CEOTP AEAD Seneca Course 1
http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,112274.25.html
2 pages.

New Seneca College programs 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,107411.0/nowap.html
OP: "I also read alot of blogs from aspiring pilots and people that graduated some years ago."

Are there any advantages ?
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=110328.0
OP: "AEAD is the new program they got out that you do your degree at seneca college in toronto and you also get your wings at the same time ???"

Royal Canadian Air Force Pilot Training Program
http://www.senecacollege.ca/school/aviation/rcaf/

CEOTP - Pilot
http://www.forces.ca/en/job/pilotofficer-32#ceotp

etc...




« Last Edit: April 17, 2016, 18:39:46 by mariomike »

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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1359 on: April 17, 2016, 18:44:23 »
Welcome to Army.ca, Arooj

As you may see from mariomike's links, there is plenty of information here on this Site already. Please take the time to look around. By reading through older threads - especially those stickied at the top of each forum - you will find answers to questions that have not even occurred to you yet.

The flying training programme is very demanding, but even more rewarding to those who succeed. There is lots of homework. You can prepare yourself best by doing a little of that here.

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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1360 on: April 18, 2016, 17:48:14 »
Hi,
This is my first post here so please be gentle, Thanks  ;D.

So I want to be an RCAF Pilot throught the CEO-TP Program eventually, but for now I want to do something that will help me get where I want to go! I am open to any option.

I will provide more details o request! :D Thanks  [:)

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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1361 on: April 18, 2016, 18:14:30 »
Welcome to Army.ca, EvilTerabite

Firstly, look around the Site for a while, and read older pertinent threads. Start with those stickied at the top of each forum. There is a ton of information there already, and there is no need to repeat any of it. It's yours for the reading, and you'll probably find answers to questions that have not even occurred to you yet.

I will merge this thread into http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,12744.0.html shortly.

I see that mariomike was busy while I was typing...

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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1362 on: April 18, 2016, 18:25:07 »
I have merged all of the CEOTP Pilot threads into http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,105937.0.html, so that is the only link that works now.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2016, 19:01:55 by Loachman »

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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1363 on: June 19, 2016, 20:59:52 »
I was reading about becoming a pilot in the CF. What rank do pilots start as? In the pay scale it only shows information from captain onwards so does this mean pilots start as captains?

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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1364 on: June 19, 2016, 21:21:22 »
No.

Before Captain, you are paid on the GSO scale.

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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1365 on: October 06, 2016, 20:36:02 »
Hi!

I applied as a pilot through SENECA in November 2015.
I went through the whole process fairly well and quickly.
In July 2016, I received an official offer as pilot.... which I declined.
I am currently studying engineering in a civy university and I felt like
I wasn't ready to drop it all to start my new career.

The thing is now I wonder everyday if I should have accepted. Looks like
such an amazing profession. My question is: If I decide to re-apply, will I
have to start the whole process all over again? By process I mean CFAT,
interview, blood testing, eyes testing, medical testing, Aircrew Selection,etc.

What if I apply tomorrow?
What if I apply next year?

Thanks!
Sorry if my post isn't the proper section (so Canadian to say sorry like that... :cdn:)
I browsed the forum and could not find an answear.

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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1366 on: October 07, 2016, 21:13:28 »
"Declining an offer (merged)" at  http://army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,104645.0/all.html may help.

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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1367 on: October 07, 2016, 22:30:45 »
Hi!

I applied as a pilot through SENECA in November 2015.
I went through the whole process fairly well and quickly.
In July 2016, I received an official offer as pilot.... which I declined.
I am currently studying engineering in a civy university and I felt like
I wasn't ready to drop it all to start my new career.

The thing is now I wonder everyday if I should have accepted. Looks like
such an amazing profession. My question is: If I decide to re-apply, will I
have to start the whole process all over again? By process I mean CFAT,
interview, blood testing, eyes testing, medical testing, Aircrew Selection,etc.

What if I apply tomorrow?
What if I apply next year?

Thanks!
Sorry if my post isn't the proper section (so Canadian to say sorry like that... :cdn:)
I browsed the forum and could not find an answear.

See also,

Declining an offer (merged)
http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,104645.msg1458401.html#msg1458401

Hi!

I applied as a pilot through SENECA in November 2015.
I went through the whole process fairly well and quickly.
In July 2016, I received an official offer as pilot.... which I declined.
I am currently studying engineering in a civy university and I felt like
I wasn't ready to drop it all to start my new career.

The thing is now I wonder everyday if I should have accepted. Looks like
such an amazing profession. My question is: If I decide to re-apply, will I
have to start the whole process all over again? By process I mean CFAT,
interview, blood testing, eyes testing, medical testing, Aircrew Selection,etc.

What if I apply tomorrow?
What if I apply next year?

Thanks!!!

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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1368 on: October 07, 2016, 23:01:36 »
I know that I posted 2 different times Mario!
I want answears! ahaha


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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1369 on: October 08, 2016, 00:43:19 »
If you want answers, then read through the "Declining an offer (merged)" thread and find them. I provided that link to you for that purpose, not simply because I had nothing else to do.

If you manage to have a truly unique question that has not been answered therein, go ahead and ask it in that thread and that thread only. Multiple identical or reasonably close-to-identical posts are considered to be spamming on this Site and that is not permitted, no matter how many "ahahas" you append to your posts. Normally, one post would be deleted.

The vast majority of answers that you need are already here, somewhere. There is a metric crap-ton of homework and study on the Pilot courses, you will be expected to do that work and know the material thoroughly, and, while your Instructors will happily provide assistance to those that need and deserve it, they will not spoonfeed you. Neither will we, so you may as well begin to become accustomed to that. As a bonus, by reading through older threads and searching, you will learn much more and will likely find answers to questions before they even occur to you.

If, after an honest and thorough search, you cannot find an answer, then somebody will be happy to help further - just as you will experience on your courses.

If you really want those Wings, you will have to earn them.

The effort - and much is required, more than you can imagine - is more than worth it.

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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1370 on: October 08, 2016, 08:00:14 »
I know that I posted 2 different times Mario!
I want answears! ahaha

That would be considered SPAMMING. We have answers for that.  It is called BANNING.
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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1371 on: May 28, 2017, 18:07:26 »
As a pilot, is it possible to continue your education and attain a Masters/PhD in your field of study (eg Masters in Engineering)? If so, how easy/difficult is this to achieve, and are there opportunities to do it as a full-time student without having to manage military obligations?

This was all I could find, but was pretty anecdotal. Was wondering if anyone has more concrete answers. http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,12744.msg948079/topicseen.html#msg948079

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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1372 on: May 28, 2017, 20:28:50 »
As a pilot, is it possible to continue your education and attain a Masters/PhD in your field of study (eg Masters in Engineering)? If so, how easy/difficult is this to achieve, and are there opportunities to do it as a full-time student without having to manage military obligations?

This was all I could find, but was pretty anecdotal. Was wondering if anyone has more concrete answers. http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,12744.msg948079/topicseen.html#msg948079
I have a pilot friend finishing his PhD right now in some sort of nuclear engineering.

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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1373 on: May 30, 2017, 17:55:23 »
I have a pilot friend finishing his PhD right now in some sort of nuclear engineering.

Good to hear, do you know if your friend is doing is PhD as a full time student, or is he studying it on the side alongside being a pilot?

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Re: "So You Want To Be A Pilot" Merged Thread 2002 - 2018
« Reply #1374 on: May 30, 2017, 19:31:00 »
He's in a ground job that involves a lot of shift work, other than that I'm not sure.