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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #1100 on: December 19, 2019, 09:54:56 »
Their fine was nothing more than a slap on the wrist.  A few hundred million dollars is nothing compared to the billions of dollars companies are fined in the US.

its a joke what they got fined,  and they know it, but does this prevent them from going after government contracts? if it doesn't then thy got the outcome they wanted which tells me the libs intervened.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #1101 on: December 19, 2019, 14:00:01 »
its a joke what they got fined,  and they know it, but does this prevent them from going after government contracts? if it doesn't then thy got the outcome they wanted which tells me the libs intervened.
This does not prevent them from going after government contracts.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #1102 on: December 19, 2019, 14:35:19 »
Like Butts said, Trudeau gets what he wants.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #1103 on: December 19, 2019, 15:48:36 »
Plead guilty to corruption but not necessarily corruption?

Vern Krishna, a leading tax lawyer and tax professor in Canada, previously made a statement which I believe to be 100 percent correct: "Corruption of government officials is a routine cost of doing business in many countries, including Canada.
https://taxchambers.ca/bribery-and-corruption-in-international-business/

So here we have a plain statement that corruption and bribery are in fact a routine cost of doing business in Canada, like pretty much everywhere else.

Thankfully, at least the the 280,000,000 is theoretically not tax deductible:

"However, even though bribes are a necessary and essential cost of doing business in some countries, the Income Tax Act weighs in with its own “economic morality” by prohibiting the deduction of bribes in computing net income and undermining the very foundation of income tax law, the accurate computation of net income."

"If Canada is going to rigorously apply the CFPOA to all Canadian corporations operating in the 172 countries listed below it in the Corruption Index, we should prepare for less international business and more litigation."

It might be this last point that has more recently come to weigh heavily on political leaders.



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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #1104 on: January 25, 2020, 11:20:36 »
Filed under Nothing to see here, SNC operating as usual.

[Mods not sure if there is a more appropriate thread sorry]

Councillors shocked by sloppiness of SNC-Lavalin's winning Trillium Line bid
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/snc-lavalin-technical-bid-reaction-1.5439818
[qiote]Some Ottawa city councillors are calling for answers in the wake of revelations the city's technical evaluation team wanted SNC-Lavalin thrown out of the bidding process for the second stage of Ottawa's north-south rail line.

Instead, the company was eventually awarded the $1.6-billion contract for Stage 2 of the Trillium Line.[/quote]


The real question here is why are the councillors shocked?  It's SNC  ::)


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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #1105 on: January 25, 2020, 15:36:02 »
If you go to the story that came out earlier yesterday, they actually have the summary of the tech evaluation for all three bidders; the SNC bid was shockingly bad.  Can't believe they passed it through with clear problems with scope, understanding of the basic project, safety/regulatory issues, and just a generally unprofessional submission.  Sometimes there is a clause allowing a bit of wiggle room, but generally it's for things like a required certificate wasn't included in the bid or something, so it's to prevent an otherwise good bid being failed for not meeting a mandatory items because someone forgot to add a piece of paper or whatever.

Here's the link; was completely stunned.  This should get the oversight team fired, and tarred& feathered, and the contract award should be canceled.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/snc-lavalin-technical-evaluation-1.5438697

Really not sure why they did this; only thing that makes sense is that they peaked at the financials and it was way cheaper. Which, you know, may happen when you haven't costed major sections or overlooked other basics.

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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #1106 on: January 25, 2020, 16:18:54 »
Yea I liked that. SNC didn't even realize the train was diesel which comes with a bunch of important differences.

Maybe they can get the Honourable Justin Trudeau to make these unflattering news stories go away.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #1107 on: January 27, 2020, 07:30:41 »
If you go to the story that came out earlier yesterday, they actually have the summary of the tech evaluation for all three bidders; the SNC bid was shockingly bad.  Can't believe they passed it through with clear problems with scope, understanding of the basic project, safety/regulatory issues, and just a generally unprofessional submission.  Sometimes there is a clause allowing a bit of wiggle room, but generally it's for things like a required certificate wasn't included in the bid or something, so it's to prevent an otherwise good bid being failed for not meeting a mandatory items because someone forgot to add a piece of paper or whatever.

Here's the link; was completely stunned.  This should get the oversight team fired, and tarred& feathered, and the contract award should be canceled.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/snc-lavalin-technical-evaluation-1.5438697

Really not sure why they did this; only thing that makes sense is that they peaked at the financials and it was way cheaper. Which, you know, may happen when you haven't costed major sections or overlooked other basics.


It's hard to fire the mayor and his cronies, except at the regularly scheduled municipal elections.

SNC-Lavalin's tentacles are long and they are embedded deep in the Canadian and Ontario Liberal Parties. Mayor Jim Watson is a strong Liberal, a former minister in Kathleen Wynne's Ontario Liberal regime. He toes the Party Line which seems to include giving SNC-Lavalin whatever it wants. 
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #1108 on: January 27, 2020, 09:28:20 »
The oversight team is a greasy legalist and some senior city staff, but agree that the Mayor is effectively part of the party.

It's really frustrating that this whole thing is so sub standard; if they are going to be greasy about the process, you really need to deliver something that is at least good enough to stop people from poking at the process and asking questions. Corruption is bad on it's own, but this is kind of inept corruption that is also embarrassing for the cartoon villains involved.

I think heads will roll in the next election but that's not until 2022, so unless someone grows a pair and cancels the contract, phase 2 is going to be an even bigger soup sandwich than phase 1. So far no one has gotten hurt, but with the scale of equipment failures happening, seems like a matter of time. High tension power cables arcing and breaking, trains on parallel tracks somehow colliding at the yard, and some other inexplicable failures are not good signs 4 months into opening.

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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #1109 on: January 27, 2020, 11:00:45 »
Why am I thinking of the Simpsons monorail episode?
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #1110 on: January 27, 2020, 11:19:28 »
The oversight team is a greasy legalist and some senior city staff, but agree that the Mayor is effectively part of the party.

It's really frustrating that this whole thing is so sub standard; if they are going to be greasy about the process, you really need to deliver something that is at least good enough to stop people from poking at the process and asking questions. Corruption is bad on it's own, but this is kind of inept corruption that is also embarrassing for the cartoon villains involved.

I think heads will roll in the next election but that's not until 2022, so unless someone grows a pair and cancels the contract, phase 2 is going to be an even bigger soup sandwich than phase 1. So far no one has gotten hurt, but with the scale of equipment failures happening, seems like a matter of time. High tension power cables arcing and breaking, trains on parallel tracks somehow colliding at the yard, and some other inexplicable failures are not good signs 4 months into opening.

A week is a long time in politics - two years is ancient history. MAYBE if the electorate would actually get out and vote that might send a message.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #1111 on: January 27, 2020, 11:28:46 »
Why am I thinking of the Simpsons monorail episode?

Ottawa aspires to get that quality of work, someday...
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #1112 on: January 27, 2020, 17:39:47 »
Ottawa aspires to get that quality of work, someday...

I hear those things are awfully loud...
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #1113 on: January 27, 2020, 17:43:00 »
I hear those things are awfully loud...


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