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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #275 on: August 29, 2019, 19:11:33 »
What do you suppose would happen if you put a pro-life or no same-sex marriage sign on your lawn?

I’ve seen pro life signs up here and there.  No fires that I know of.  No same sex marriage sign a might elicit more reaction.

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« Reply #276 on: August 29, 2019, 20:08:29 »
The Liberals used the "he'll rescind abortion laws" and "he'll overturn gay marriage" in several elections won by Mr Harper. Neither of those things happened. At what point is this crying wolf no more than  :deadhorse: ?

Remember what Minister McKenna was seen saying; "If you say it long enough and loud enough people will believe it."  Climate change, same sex marriage, pro-choice, racism, islamophobia, gun control, immigration.  Same MO - different message.
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #277 on: August 29, 2019, 21:08:07 »
There's not much room anymore for fiscal conservative/socially liberal centrists anymore.

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« Reply #278 on: August 29, 2019, 21:36:16 »
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #279 on: August 31, 2019, 21:20:35 »
Made a complaint to EC today. I believe the federal representative in my riding is illegally campaigning during the provincial election. Specifically, the words re-elect are now affixed to her signs in advance of the federal election being officially called. I notice by comparison, no other signs carry these words, except for current sitting MPPs; as one would expect.

As a result, I believe that she is a) illegally campaigning in advance of the writ, b) illegally spending on campaign advertising, and c) sewing confusion in the provincial riding.

We'll see what EC has to say. :worms: :stirpot:
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #280 on: August 31, 2019, 21:32:53 »
Made a complaint to EC today. I believe the federal representative in my riding is illegally campaigning during the provincial election. Specifically, the words re-elect are now affixed to her signs in advance of the federal election being officially called. I notice by comparison, no other signs carry these words, except for current sitting MPPs; as one would expect.

As a result, I believe that she is a) illegally campaigning in advance of the writ, b) illegally spending on campaign advertising, and c) sewing confusion in the provincial riding.

We'll see what EC has to say. :worms: :stirpot:

https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=faq&document=faqelec&lang=e#a2

Are the signs on public property or private property?

Also note this

https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=pol&document=index&dir=limits/limpol_partisan&lang=e

And this

https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=pol&dir=pre&document=index&lang=e
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #281 on: August 31, 2019, 21:41:31 »
Although the bench itself is private property, it sits on public land. The problem is not so much that she is campaigning during the pre-writ period, it's that there's a provincial election running right now.
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #282 on: August 31, 2019, 21:50:26 »
Although the bench itself is private property, it sits on public land. The problem is not so much that she is campaigning during the pre-writ period, it's that there's a provincial election running right now.

Not sure that that is an actual legal issue.

Bezan has been campaigning in Manitoba...does not seem to be a problem.  Confusion yes. Problem? Likely not.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/manitoba-election-stretch-resources-1.5245776
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #283 on: September 02, 2019, 22:42:20 »
This could be interesting and a very interesting way to garner more interest in the party...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/ppc-people-s-party-canada-gun-range-shootout-1.5268078

I can see this working in a Trump esque style
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #284 on: September 04, 2019, 21:20:16 »
Interesting article from the CBC about the decision of 14 NDP members to defect to the Green party may have been affected by the fact that NDP leader is a Sikh.

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CBC Radio · Posted: Sep 04, 2019 6:38 PM ET | Last Updated: 2 hours ago

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh should have come to New Brunswick to meet with people who "may not have had any exposure to people from different cultures," says a former party exec.

The NDP has failed to nominate a single federal election candidate in New Brunswick, and on Tuesday, 14 of the party's former provincial candidates announced that they were leaving to join the federal Greens.

They were joined by Jonathan Richardson, the federal party's executive member for Atlantic Canada, who said the NDP leadership failed to respond to provincial concerns — including anecdotal evidence that racism toward Singh will be factor in the campaign.

Singh is a Sikh and wears a turban.

Here is part of Richardson's conversation with As It Happens host Carol Off.

Why did you decide to leave the NDP and join the Greens?

For me specifically, I work with vulnerable people. ... With all of these children, with all of these vulnerable sectors, the one thing that I kept seeing was that the government wasn't providing the funding that was required for them to actually get off on the good foot.

So because of that, I eventually had to make a decision. You know, am I in politics for the branding, for the orange? Or am I here for the people that I want to help? And I've always been here for the people that I wanted to help.

So for that reason, what I've done is say, you know, there are three Green MLAs in New Brunswick, and they all have the same kind of social justice kind of beliefs that I do. And it was my hope ... that we'd be able to at least bring in some legislation to help with some of the things that I was seeing.

Is the problem, though, as you pointed out in your press conference, that there is not much faith in the federal NDP leadership right now?

I have zero issues in terms of the leadership of the party because I know they're doing exactly what their job tells them to do — and that's to go around the country and to figure out which seats they can pick up, which seats they need to maintain, and where they're going to put their resources.

And, unfortunately, just for this election at least ... it's not going to be New Brunswick.

You also said in your press conference that you have raised with [the party] ... that race and the racism card is coming up in the discussions that you're having with those in the party and those around the province. What did you tell them about that?

Being a member of the federal executive, I believe that it is my job to listen to the membership at the ground floor and to give that view up to the executive.

And what did you tell them specifically?

I said that there was a misunderstanding of Mr. Singh's religion, where his religion was coming from. Because I was hearing a lot of people referring to him, for example, as being a Muslim.

And there's a lot of issues in terms of, especially in the northern part of the province, where there have been a lot of issues with the EI protests that are going there, the black hole specifically around the issue of temporary foreign workers coming in, and they felt that they were taking jobs away from them.

I'm only speculating here, but I would feel like that resentment would have generalized into a broader kind of view of people who are from different cultures.

And you are hearing a lot of racist remarks when you were visiting the northern part of the province?

What I was hearing is that they were uncomfortable.

In New Brunswick, some of the rural communities are not up to date in terms of the social media life that we would be in some of the bigger areas or the younger people. So having someone physically present to be able to talk with them and to be there would have actually, in my opinion, rectified the situation.

What did you hear, though, on the ground as far as people's regard to Jagmeet Singh and his identity?

Like I said, you know, some people thought that he was Muslim.

Some people didn't even know that he was born in Canada. So they thought that he ... immigrated from a different country.

Some of these misperceptions that they were having about Mr. Singh, you know, in my opinion needed to be rectified quickly.

Was it your feeling, and was it what you were communicating, that Mr. Singh was going to have a hard time in New Brunswick because he's a Sikh?

I don't know the answer to that. I know that there was an issue, and I brought it up because I really did not want that to happen. Because, obviously, I was a very staunch New Democrat.

That's why I felt it was urgent to bring it up to that point that he should maybe come to the Acadian festivals, come to these celebrations and be exposed inside the community.

But what could the leadership do? When you tell them that there is a problem that Mr. Singh is a visible minority, that he wears a turban, that he's a Sikh and that's going to be become an issue in this election, what can they possibly do about that?

That's a very good question. I don't know what the answer is to that. And I think that if I had the answer, I may have dealt it with myself.

And did you at any point warn them that it's possible that because Mr. Singh is a Sikh that he is going to have a very hard time winning an election in New Brunswick?

No, I don't think I used those words. Specifically, I said that those concerns were brought up and that's going to have to be dealt with.

Is it your view — and not that you share it — but is it your view that Mr. Singh is going to have a very hard time in this election in New Brunswick because he's a Sikh?

I don't know the answer to that. I can only say what I heard and what people were telling me on the ground.

I can tell you that the community is very Caucasian. So there are temporary foreign workers who come in, but a lot of the people in that region may not have had any exposure to people from different cultures.

Of the 14 people, NDPers, who have left to go to the Greens who joined you [Tuesday], do they share the view that Mr. Singh will have a very hard time fighting an election in New Brunswick because he's a Sikh?

I don't have an answer for that either because I never talked to them about this.

Whenever we talked about joining the Greens, it was more provincially so that we could bring a legislator to help the people in our communities with the EI problem and the black hole. And for me specifically, social justice. We never talked about race.

[NDP MP] Charlie Angus, who sent out a tweet yesterday, he said: "The failure of NDP leadership to meet with the New Brunswick team is serious." So he joins you, he shares your concern there. But then he says, "The fact that some New Brunswick NDP jumped ship because they wouldn't run under a progressive leader who comes from another religion is sickening. Good riddance. Go to Elizabeth May." What do you say to Charlie Angus?"

Keep listening to your political staff because that would be the exact advice that I would be giving if my party is in trouble — to have the personal attacks on people.

And that's what you regard this as being?

Oh, of course.

Do you think it would have helped had [Singh] come to the province?

If he would have taken the time to come in and meet in these different communities, after meeting him myself, I know that that would have made a difference.

Written by Sheena Goodyear. Interview produced by Kevin Robertson. Q&A has been edited for length and clarity.

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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #285 on: September 04, 2019, 22:40:10 »
Federal NDP have pooped the bed. They’re coming into the election with basically nothing but the hard party loyalists.

Unfortunately this benefits the Liberals most of all.
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #286 on: September 04, 2019, 22:59:40 »
Who are those hard party loyalists? The NDP of the Layton era are a distant memory. They really haven’t truly represented interests other than fringe special interests for a long time.  And now they have competition with even that, especially from the current governing party.
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #287 on: September 05, 2019, 00:21:05 »
Who are those hard party loyalists? The NDP of the Layton era are a distant memory. They really haven’t truly represented interests other than fringe special interests for a long time.  And now they have competition with even that, especially from the current governing party.

There is still a base in the NDP of hardline socialists and union types. They clash a lot with the environmental wing as well as younger members of the NDP who are trying to get the party to move to the centre.

A real mess. 
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« Reply #288 on: September 05, 2019, 08:44:24 »
Interesting article from the CBC about the decision of 14 NDP members to defect to the Green party may have been affected by the fact that NDP leader is a Sikh.

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What I find most entertaining is that some people seemed shocked that rural communities are less open to outside cultures/minorities. On PEI if you were white, of UK descent, but not from around the community you were an outsider...

In my experience it's because of a lack of exposure to anything different, so as Mr. Richardson said maybe the NDP leader should have made an effort to go and meet the people of northern NB. Expose them to a different culture, maybe make an effort to expose himself to a different culture.

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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #289 on: September 05, 2019, 09:04:16 »
What I find most entertaining is that some people seemed shocked that rural communities are less open to outside cultures/minorities. On PEI if you were white, of UK descent, but not from around the community you were an outsider...

In my experience it's because of a lack of exposure to anything different, so as Mr. Richardson said maybe the NDP leader should have made an effort to go and meet the people of northern NB. Expose them to a different culture, maybe make an effort to expose himself to a different culture.

Experiences will vary.  But no doubt that this is on Singh.  He is going to wear this.

The Liberals must be dancing right now.  How much luck can one party have?
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« Reply #290 on: September 05, 2019, 09:35:08 »
On PEI if you were white, of UK descent, but not from around the community you were an outsider...

Not all that different in a big city. The City of Toronto has upwards of 240 official and unofficial neighbourhoods. 

I've been retired for over ten years and pretty much stick to my own.

There is still a base in the NDP of hardline socialists and union types.

Regarding unions and party politics, this was written during Canada's last federal election,

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Following years of attacks on unions by Harper’s Conservatives, our members in Canada are backing the NDP and Liberals.

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http://services.prod.iaff.org/ContentFile/Get/27125
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #291 on: September 05, 2019, 09:41:56 »
Anyone see the PM on Netflix's Patriot Act. He did not cover himself with much glory.

Here is a review:
https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/why-the-liberals-and-netflix-dont-mix/

Truth be told, I don't find woke humour all that funny. Yes they certainly exposed the PM (and Canada for that matter) as the hypocrite that he truly is. But this dude Hasan Minhaj would be a puddle of goo if he listened to military humour for very long. 

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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #292 on: September 07, 2019, 09:47:18 »
On Thursday The Star livestreamed an hourlong panel interview with the PM.  He was not his usual self, IMO, in that he sounded well briefed and well prepared with a number of sharp barbs at the Cons and Scheer strategically inserted in his responses.  He didn't give fulsome answers to a few questions and is adamant that he did the right thing in his dealings with the SNC Lavalin debacle. Despite being repeatedly challenged, he seemed to back away from a handgun ban which I'm sure lost him a few fans in the GTA

The Star will be doing similar interviews with the other party leaders.
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« Reply #293 on: September 07, 2019, 10:01:09 »
On Thursday The Star livestreamed an hourlong panel interview with the PM.  He was not his usual self, IMO, in that he sounded well briefed and well prepared with a number of sharp barbs at the Cons and Scheer strategically inserted in his responses.  He didn't give fulsome answers to a few questions and is adamant that he did the right thing in his dealings with the SNC Lavalin debacle. Despite being repeatedly challenged, he seemed to back away from a handgun ban which I'm sure lost him a few fans in the GTA

The Star will be doing similar interviews with the other party leaders.

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« Reply #294 on: September 07, 2019, 10:18:33 »
Anyone see the PM on Netflix's Patriot Act. He did not cover himself with much glory.

Here is a review:
https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/why-the-liberals-and-netflix-dont-mix/

Truth be told, I don't find woke humour all that funny. Yes they certainly exposed the PM (and Canada for that matter) as the hypocrite that he truly is. But this dude Hasan Minhaj would be a puddle of goo if he listened to military humour for very long.

I actually like watching Minaj's Patriot Act.  His politcal bias shows through, but he is hilariously good at exposing hypocrisy.
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #295 on: September 08, 2019, 17:03:07 »
Some pre writ analysis.  Always interesting to see what they predict now and analyse and how it will actually turn out.  Campaigns do matter.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-votes-newsletter-issue22-ndp-greens-battle-election-1.5274133

A few things stand out.  How the Greens May not still be able to translate popular votes into seats.  Also how the bloc might eat into the NDP seats in Quebec in a fight for third.
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« Reply #296 on: September 08, 2019, 22:23:41 »
Some pre writ analysis.  Always interesting to see what they predict now and analyse and how it will actually turn out.  Campaigns do matter.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-votes-newsletter-issue22-ndp-greens-battle-election-1.5274133

A few things stand out.  How the Greens May not still be able to translate popular votes into seats.  Also how the bloc might eat into the NDP seats in Quebec in a fight for third.

That's exactly why one of their platform items is to change the electoral system. Which is a forlorn hope of course...
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« Reply #297 on: September 09, 2019, 09:49:45 »
Ironically, advertising like this does not work, apparently....

An unprecedented spending frenzy could give a clue about where the election battles will be fought

It wouldn’t be a crazy theory to suggest the Liberals are worried about the fate of their three precarious seats in Alberta as the Oct. 21 election approaches.

The province is home to widespread ire toward the government and a provincial conservative party that just swept to power with a crushing majority. And then there’s this: Edmonton MP Randy Boissionault has been hurrying around the province this summer, doling out money like a drunken billionaire.

No less than 69 cheques have been handed out in the last month by Boissionault. His colleague in Calgary, Liberal MP Kent Hehr, is in second place with 59 spending announcements to his name.

These sweepstakes, funded by tax dollars, have been documented assiduously by Global News chief political correspondent David Akin, who has been tracking and analyzing every government spending announcement, going back three parliaments. That’s more than 26,000 spreadsheet rows, for anyone counting.

https://vancouversun.com/news/canada/an-unprecedented-spending-frenzy-could-give-a-clue-about-where-the-election-battles-will-be-fought/wcm/7c50db15-75bf-46e5-8e6c-1c2087ebb6e0
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Re: Run Up to Election 2019
« Reply #298 on: September 09, 2019, 09:53:47 »
These sweepstakes, funded by tax dollars....
But that's not campaigning;  no election has been announced, right?   ;)

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« Reply #299 on: September 09, 2019, 09:59:16 »
I wonder if we'll see any spring back from the "anti Harper" votes cast in 2015. There were lots of seats that changed hands on quite slim margins, that could revert to their former party status.
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