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Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic'
« on: August 06, 2019, 18:55:09 »
Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic' and are hiding hundreds in its ranks, lawyers claim

The Boy Scouts of America are continuing to cover-up a “pedophilia epidemic within their organization,” a group of lawyers alleged Tuesday in a new lawsuit.

The Abused in Scouting lawyers said they’ve identified 350 previously unknown scoutmasters and volunteers who allegedly preyed on boys — and whose names were not known to law enforcement or in the BSA’s internal database, which critics have called “perversion files.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/boy-scouts-america-have-pedophile-epidemic-are-hiding-hundreds-its-n1039661
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Re: Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic'
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2019, 19:31:51 »
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Re: Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic'
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2019, 00:04:51 »
It’s well known pedophiles will position themselves where they can be in contact with kids. Priests, teachers, Boy Scouts etc.
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Re: Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic'
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2019, 12:52:31 »
It’s well known pedophiles will position themselves where they can be in contact with kids. Priests, teachers, Boy Scouts etc.

etc . . . including Cadets . . .

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/xdm7kn/canadian-military-cadet-program-has-a-sexual-assault-problem-documents-show-674
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Documents Show the Canadian Army Cadets Program Is Plagued With Sexual Abuse Allegations

An anonymous internet user has released hundreds of documents detailing a sexual and physical abuse epidemic in the Canadian cadets.

by Justin Ling  Nov 26 2014

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/sea-cadets-get-long-awaited-abuse-redress/article676142/
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Sea cadets get long-awaited abuse redress

PETTI FONG  VANCOUVER
Published January 4, 2007

After decades of silence and years of legal wrangling, former sea cadets who suffered sexual abuse while serving in HMCS Discovery's youth program will finally receive their compensation package.

In 2004, 35 victims who were all former members of the Royal Canadian Sea Cadet Corp., which operated out of HMCS Discovery in Stanley Park, were approved to be part of a class-action lawsuit.

The victims were generally between 13 and 17 years old when they were abused.

Defendants of the class-action suit included the attorney-general of Canada and the Navy League of Canada, as well as three officers.

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Re: Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic'
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2019, 14:19:28 »
It’s well known pedophiles will position themselves where they can be in contact with kids. Priests, teachers, Boy Scouts etc.

Not so much contact, moreso positions of authority/trust/power.
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Re: Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic'
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2019, 16:19:33 »
It's challenging at our Navy league corp to have enough officers to do admin tasks, run classes and then have 2 people in stores for uniform fitting to cadets. Whenever possible I get the parents to fit the uniform and I supervise from a distance.

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Re: Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic'
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2019, 18:48:49 »
It's challenging at our Navy league corp to have enough officers to do admin tasks, run classes and then have 2 people in stores for uniform fitting to cadets. Whenever possible I get the parents to fit the uniform and I supervise from a distance.

And, I apologize in advance for being so sexist, the safest option for all kids' programs, more or less, is probably to hire women into those leadership roles.
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Re: Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic'
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2019, 18:59:28 »
And, I apologize in advance for being so sexist, the safest option for all kids' programs, more or less, is probably to hire women into those leadership roles.
I get what you're saying but it's Canada in 2019. Jessica Yaniv of BC is a woman. 
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Re: Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic'
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2019, 00:41:16 »
I get what you're saying but it's Canada in 2019. Jessica Yaniv of BC is a woman.

...who wants to have sex and play with tampons of 14 year olds girls. Who was shown today...online....threatening a journalist, reporter, yarn spinner, liar. Whatever we call the disinformation talking heads today, with a tazer (prohibited weapon) and pepper spray. Who's the police force in BC again? Why isn't he under arrest? Why isn't he swated like lawful gun owners when questions arise about their paperwork. Canada spent too much time on this frig 10 seconds in and he cemented us as the most ridiculous, bizzarro nation in the world. Our stupidity has become international.
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Re: Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic'
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2019, 02:40:00 »
And, I apologize in advance for being so sexist, the safest option for all kids' programs, more or less, is probably to hire women into those leadership roles.

This is probably the most notorious episode of institutional child abuse in Australia in recent times.  Yes, the alleged perpetrator is a woman.    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-07/malka-leifer-freed-from-detention-under-house-arrest/9525310

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Re: Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic'
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2019, 08:58:55 »
This is probably the most notorious episode of institutional child abuse in Australia in recent times.  Yes, the alleged perpetrator is a woman.    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-07/malka-leifer-freed-from-detention-under-house-arrest/9525310

Well statistically men are most likely to be the perpetrators by a wide margin but...

Interestingly enough there is a case for the under reporting of female abuse of minors and that number may be unknown right now. And a lot has to do with the reasoning for the abuse.  for men it may be more sexual but for women, in many cases is out of a sense of love (or feelings or whatever) or intimacy.  Seems twisted yes.

 https://theconversation.com/women-also-sexually-abuse-children-but-their-reasons-often-differ-from-mens-72572

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Re: Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic'
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2019, 10:39:55 »
And, I apologize in advance for being so sexist, the safest option for all kids' programs, more or less, is probably to hire women into those leadership roles.

Finding female volunteers has not been easy, thankfully we have a couple of Moms that volunteer to stay the night so we have a female adult in the building, another requirement if you have female cadets.

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Re: Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic'
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2019, 12:26:39 »
There's a ton of stories out there of females in authority, mostly teachers, grooming and assaulting younger males.

I was offered an opportunity to work with Cadets after I retired. I turned it down. One false accusation, no matter how small and your life turns into hell and you'll never beat the stigma.
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Re: Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic'
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2019, 12:42:56 »
There's a ton of stories out there of females in authority, mostly teachers, grooming and assaulting younger males.

I was offered an opportunity to work with Cadets after I retired. I turned it down. One false accusation, no matter how small and your life turns into hell and you'll never beat the stigma.
Can you quantify ‘tons of stories’?

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Re: Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic'
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2019, 13:36:47 »
Can you quantify ‘tons of stories’?

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 :rofl:

Really? Pick up a newspaper or google it. I'm not doing your research. Better yet, prove me wrong.
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« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2019, 13:41:35 »
:rofl:

Really? Pick up a newspaper or google it. I'm not doing your research. Better yet, prove me wrong.
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Re: Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic'
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2019, 14:30:37 »
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Is 52 instances enough for you? That is just one first hit. Two seconds on a search engine. https://heavy.com/news/2018/06/teacher-sex-offender-allegations-female-photos/

Think you can handle it? Or do you need that "Let Me Show You How to Google That" app?

What now? Attack me again, the source, the search engine, the reporter?
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Re: Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic'
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2019, 14:32:11 »
Is 52 instances enough for you? That is just one first hit. Two seconds on a search engine. https://heavy.com/news/2018/06/teacher-sex-offender-allegations-female-photos/

Think you can handle it? Or do you need that "Let Me Show You How to Google That" app?

What now? Attack me again, the source, the search engine, the reporter?
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Re: Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic'
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2019, 14:38:16 »
Nice ‘Google fu’!


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I don't use Google. ;)
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« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2019, 14:39:13 »
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Re: Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic'
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2019, 14:45:28 »
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Romeo: If we are looking at some stats the majority of offenders are men.  Women make up a small majority.

This is from an Aus. Gvt site but mirrors some of what a previous British article I posted stated.  It also includes US and Canadian data.

So if we say a ton women then we should state a mega ton of men. 

Caveat though: All the studies indicate under reporting for women stats.  Just like harassment and sexual assault.  So the 90/4 proportion may be a bit wider.   

Although males clearly constitute the majority of perpetrators, a review of the evidence for female sex abusers (McCloskey & Raphael, 2005), suggested that females do abuse in a small proportion of cases. Data from the US National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS) showed that males made up 90% of adult child sexual assault perpetrators, while 3.9% of perpetrators were female, with a further 6% classified as “unknown gender” (McCloskey & Raphael, 2005). In a study comparing male and female perpetrated child sexual abuse using data from the 1998 Canadian Incidence Study of Reported Child Abuse and Neglect (Peter, 2009), 10.7% of child sexual abuse incidents were found to be perpetrated by females. McCloskey and Raphael (2005) argued that female perpetrators of child sexual abuse could be much higher as many cases go under-reported.


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Re: Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic'
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2019, 16:50:44 »
And how many people do those percentages represent? 10.7% equals what? 2? 20? 200?
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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2019, 17:16:47 »
I think part of the issue is that when a woman assaults a young male (ie teacher having sexual encounters with 13 year old kids) a common response is for men to cheer the young or offer a proverbial pat on the back. One need only look in the comment sections when news orgs posts these stories.
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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2019, 17:59:16 »
I think part of the issue is that when a woman assaults a young male (ie teacher having sexual encounters with 13 year old kids) a common response is for men to cheer the young or offer a proverbial pat on the back. One need only look in the comment sections when news orgs posts these stories.

Absolutely.  And likely a contributing factor to the under reporting.  As well I am sure when a woman does it it gets more attention which is why’s some people might think that there are tons of women doing this in relation to men.  Nobody is surprised when a male scout leader, hockey coach, teacher or priest gets accused but female gets more attention proportionately.

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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2019, 19:12:53 »
I think part of the issue is that when a woman assaults a young male (ie teacher having sexual encounters with 13 year old kids) a common response is for men to cheer the young or offer a proverbial pat on the back. One need only look in the comment sections when news orgs posts these stories.

I'll agree. I wish I'd had some of these teachers, in the article I posted, tutoring me. However, I digress.
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« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2019, 19:18:31 »
I'll agree. I wish I'd had some of these teachers, in the article I posted, tutoring me. However, I digress.

Had lots of inmates over the years hooked on something because they were trying to erase being molested young by a female.  We think now we would have wanted it but, it's not usually the hot 27 year old substitute teacher the papers like to publish the picture of.  It's your cat-smelling, missing a few teeth, Aunt  Ether.   The shame of it can eat away at either sex...
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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2019, 19:24:25 »
Absolutely.  And likely a contributing factor to the under reporting.  As well I am sure when a woman does it it gets more attention which is why’s some people might think that there are tons of women doing this in relation to men.  Nobody is surprised when a male scout leader, hockey coach, teacher or priest gets accused but female gets more attention proportionately.

I never said tons of women, compared to men. I said, tons of women, period. There's a difference, but I'm sure you knew that when you decided to squeeze that in.
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Re: Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic'
« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2019, 19:27:04 »
Had lots of inmates over the years hooked on something because they were trying to erase being molested young by a female.  We think now we would have wanted it but, it's not usually the hot 27 year old substitute teacher the papers like to publish the picture of.  It's your cat-smelling, missing a few teeth, Aunt  Ether.   The shame of it can eat away at either sex...

 I forgot the sarcasm or maybe the wink emoji. Of course you are right.
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Re: Boy Scouts of America have a 'pedophile epidemic'
« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2019, 19:46:04 »
Had lots of inmates over the years hooked on something because they were trying to erase being molested young by a female.  We think now we would have wanted it but, it's not usually the hot 27 year old substitute teacher the papers like to publish the picture of.  It's your cat-smelling, missing a few teeth, Aunt  Ether.   The shame of it can eat away at either sex...

Even in cases where some teachers were attractive, it could take years for some to realize that they were damaged by the experiences.  Physically and emotionally.
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« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2019, 19:57:18 »
Even in cases where some teachers were attractive, it could take years for some to realize that they were damaged by the experiences. 

We used to call it damaged goods.

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« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2019, 20:03:13 »
We used to call it damaged goods.

There was a case here not long ago here where a male victim gave an victim impact statement how the woman teacher who had abused him destroyed his ability to make emotional connections in his relationships with other women.
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« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2019, 20:09:45 »
There was a case here not long ago here where a male victim gave an victim impact statement how the woman teacher who had abused him destroyed his ability to make emotional connections in his relationships with other women.

And sued the school board "for an undisclosed amount"?

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« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2019, 20:12:53 »
And sued the school board "for an undisclosed amount"?

Not sure but I bet that happened.
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