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Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« on: August 10, 2019, 11:51:36 »
This will keep the conspiracy theorists busy!

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Jeffrey Epstein, accused sex trafficker, is dead by apparent suicide, found in his Manhattan jail cell

Aug. 10, 2019, 9:19 AM EDT / Updated Aug. 10, 2019, 11:36 AM EDT
By Tom Winter, Jonathan Dienst and Phil McCausland

Jeffrey Epstein, the millionaire financier and accused sex trafficker, is dead by apparent suicide, according to three officials familiar with the matter.

Epstein was in his cell but was not on suicide watch at the time of his death, multiple people familiar with the investigation told NBC News.

His death comes a little over two weeks ago after he was found injured and in a fetal position in his cell at the federal Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan. He was semiconscious with marks on his neck at the time.

In July, two sources told NBC News that Epstein was on suicide watch.

His death also comes one day after a trove of court documents were unsealed providing new details about Epstein's alleged sex trafficking.

Less than 24 hours after the documents were released, officials told NBC News that Epstein, 66, was found unresponsive in his jail cell at 6:30 a.m. ET. He had apparently hanged himself.

Epstein, who was being held on federal sex trafficking charges, was transported Saturday morning from the jail to a hospital in Lower Manhattan. Upon arrival, he was in cardiac arrest, people familiar with the matter say.

The Department of Justice said Epstein was pronounced dead at the hospital. The FBI is investigating his death.

The FBI, which is investigating his death, does not normally look into suicides at a federal Bureau of Prisons facility, but given the nature of this case and out of an “abundance of caution” it has undertaken this probe, a senior law enforcement official said.

There is nothing at this point to suggest foul play in Epstein's death.


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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2019, 12:15:34 »
I can't wait to see Reddit blow up over this.  The political subs are going to be busy today.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2019, 12:33:59 »
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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2019, 14:11:13 »
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2019, 15:25:44 »
This development is pretty darned convenient for alot of people.

How, exactly, does a guy, in prison, on suicide watch (presumably under 24hr surveillance) manage to hang himself?

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2019, 15:31:42 »
How, exactly, does a guy, in prison, on suicide watch (presumably under 24hr surveillance) manage to hang himself?

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https://thehill.com/homenews/news/456960-epstein-wasnt-on-suicide-watch-at-time-of-his-death-reports


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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2019, 15:36:19 »
This development is pretty darned convenient for alot of people.

How, exactly, does a guy, in prison, on suicide watch (presumably under 24hr surveillance) manage to hang himself?

We have guys on watch all the time. The psych people speak with them and most are off watch after a week or so. They are not on a permanent watch.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2019, 15:47:37 »
We have guys on watch all the time. The psych people speak with them and most are off watch after a week or so. They are not on a permanent watch.

Even then, no guarantees. Ashley Smith killed herself while under suicide watch.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Smith_inquest

Her family brought a lawsuit against Correctional Service of Canada (CSC) for negligence. They settled out of court for $11 million.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ashley-smith-family-settles-11m-suit-1.1003660

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Jack Donson, a former longtime federal Bureau of Prisons case manager, told NBC News that suicide watch in federal lockup "usually only lasts a few days to week" due to the amount of manpower the 24-hour surveillance entails.
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"It requires staff to do overtime shifts," Donson said, and is "not considered a good use of resources."

Epstein had been placed in the MCC's Special Housing Unit instead of general population for his own safety, given his notoriety, and Donson noted that incidents of suicide are higher in the SHU.

"You're isolated with your own thoughts," he said, "and it's not as monitored and supervised."

Guards are supposed to check on prisoners every 30 minutes, but sometimes aren't diligent about doing so, Donson said, and regardless, inmates "can do themselves a lot of harm in 30 minutes."

He also raised the question of whether Epstein was in a cell with a camera, because some cells in the MCC have them. Officials will also review the range camera outside the cell to make sure guards had indeed been checking on him.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2019, 16:42:19 »
This development is pretty darned convenient for alot of people.

How, exactly, does a guy, in prison, on suicide watch (presumably under 24hr surveillance) manage to hang himself?

Being on suicide watch doesn't necessarily mean someone is watching him, and only him 24/7. It means the correctional officer would likely check his cell every 15 minutes (normally a correctional officer does his/her wind/count every hour)  But placing an offender under suicide watch would be in addition to all other duties/responsibilities the officer has on his/her shift.  He/she still needs to check on other inmates
How often a cell is checked is usually determined by psychologists etc who dealt with the offender.
BTW this is based on my experience working for the Correctional Service of Canada for 29 years, including a few years as a Correctional Officer

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2019, 17:01:23 »
And 'constant watch' [one CO to one offender} is freakin' costly.   I did figure with such a high-profile inmate, with lots of people who'd want him gone, he'd be on it.  At the minimum in baby dolls and security blankets. I know where he'd be stashed away here in Ontario, and between the cameras and the Officer sitting in the diamond right outside his window door, very little chance this could have happened.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2019, 17:49:00 »

How, exactly, does a guy, in prison, on suicide watch (presumably under 24hr surveillance) manage to hang himself?

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2019, 18:05:05 »
And 'constant watch' [one CO to one offender} is freakin' costly.   I did figure with such a high-profile inmate, with lots of people who'd want him gone, he'd be on it.  At the minimum in baby dolls and security blankets. I know where he'd be stashed away here in Ontario, and between the cameras and the Officer sitting in the diamond right outside his window door, very little chance this could have happened.

Especially when you consider that back in mid-July he was found in his cell, injured. Whether suicide attempt, attack or self-inflicted no one knows or at least not talking.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2019, 18:08:20 »
Because there is a God?

Something tells me the paramedics who had to work him up weren't too enthusiastic about it.

I expect there will be civil lawsuits against his estate in the weeks ahead.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2019, 18:45:20 »
This development is pretty darned convenient for alot of people.


Not going to lie, got a little tin foil hat myself when I heard this. He was moving in the kind of circles doing super sketchy things where there are billionaires implicated. Don't care about him, but hopefully they keep digging and get some of the others.

Don't seriously think someone had him killed, but definitely hampers any investigation.  Big difference between a rumour and having him testify in court against them.

Weird for Trump to start tweeting conspiracy theories when he's just as smeared by this as anyone else. I'm sure there is all kinds of things already going about him having him killed.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2019, 18:51:30 »
Not going to lie, got a little tin foil hat myself when I heard this. He was moving in the kind of circles doing super sketchy things where there are billionaires implicated. Don't care about him, but hopefully they keep digging and get some of the others.

Don't seriously think someone had him killed, but definitely hampers any investigation.  Big difference between a rumour and having him testify in court against them.

Weird for Trump to start tweeting conspiracy theories when he's just as smeared by this as anyone else. I'm sure there is all kinds of things already going about him having him killed.

Rich, powerful, corrupt and sketchy.. maybe he just weighed his odds and decided suicide was best. Chose his way out, on his terms at his time.

I could see a lot of headache and heartaches for those he loved or who loved him and in order to minimize that he killed himself? Lived the high life to long, hurting to many people and now that reality set in and he was looking at a crappy end of his life.. he ended it sooner. Possibly to reduce risk from corrupt billionaires too.. if you are a tin foil guy... I'm more in favor he was just mentally unstable.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2019, 19:32:46 »
Epstein's death has set off an investigation.His cell had no cctv according to initial reports. Civil lawsuits will continue against his estate. An attorney who has been involved with similar deaths in custody that it should be treated as a homicide until evidence conclusively points to suicide. I guess that's a wise precaution. Just wait for the FBI report as he died in Federal custody.

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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2019, 19:45:03 »
Big difference between a rumour and having him testify in court against them.

Assuming he did kill himself, talk about a good friend.  :)

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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2019, 20:40:17 »
Rich, powerful, corrupt and sketchy.. maybe he just weighed his odds and decided suicide was best. Chose his way out, on his terms at his time.

I could see a lot of headache and heartaches for those he loved or who loved him and in order to minimize that he killed himself? Lived the high life to long, hurting to many people and now that reality set in and he was looking at a crappy end of his life.. he ended it sooner. Possibly to reduce risk from corrupt billionaires too.. if you are a tin foil guy... I'm more in favor he was just mentally unstable.

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No, I assume that he looked at a life in prison as a child molester and did it himself. Robs his victims of justice, but hopefully with the FBI investigation the freeze his assets so they don't get dispersed before they can sue his estate.

There is a whole cult of 9/11 theorists that think that was some kind of inside job with an unbelievably elaborate scenario, so offing someone in jail to cover pedo billionaires is a pretty obvious one for them to run with. Also not outside the realm of possibility as stranger things have happened, but seems more complicated then him being a coward.

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« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2019, 20:53:06 »
Agreed.

He’s spent what? A few months in jail up to that point.

Maybe he didn’t like what he was going through and what potentially was waiting for him for the rest of his life, saw the writing on the wall and offed himself. 

It’s a hard fall going from Billionaire to hard time for life, a target in prison with zero chance of getting out.
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2019, 21:01:07 »
He was 66. Only a presidential pardon could have saved him from dying in a federal prison.

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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2019, 21:03:21 »
I would just like to point out that I know nothing about the Clintons..............

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I would just like to point out that I know nothing about the Clintons..............

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« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2019, 20:26:24 »
Interesting article on how suicides in US prisons is not that unusual.

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The Completely Predictable Death of Jeffrey Epstein

If you are shocked by a jail suicide you aren’t paying attention to the grim conditions of incarceration in America.

By Andrew Cohen
August 11, 2019

The reported suicide on Saturday of disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein in a federal jail cell in the heart of Manhattan was both utterly shocking and completely predictable. It’s shocking that the Bureau of Prisons was unable to keep Epstein alive pending his federal sex trafficking trial and that jail officials, knowing the world was watching this case so closely, allowed his death even after Epstein’s apparent failed attempt to take his own life three weeks ago. That’s negligence by definition, whether the celebrity defendant was placed on or taken off “suicide watch.”

But inmate suicides are such a regular part of life in American prisons and jails that none of us should be surprised whenever they occur. They are the leading cause of death behind bars, and have been for many years, and the problem seems to be getting worse. The latest statistics, from 2014, tell us the rate of suicides in jails was the highest it’s been since at least 2000. This even though there is more public awareness surrounding the phenomenon and a cry for better records (and details) about the number of suicides that take place each year.

Inmates suicides are an epidemic corrections officials won’t talk about. The deaths transcend race and geography. They occur, as we saw with Epstein, in federal jails in a big city and they occur in lonely rural prisons. They occur where a pretrial detainee has been jailed just days earlier, as was the case with Sandra Bland in Texas, and they occur where a convicted prisoner has been left to languish for months or years in solitary confinement. Not every suicide can be prevented, of course, but scores of inmates could be saved every year if corrections officials would just earnestly protect those in their custody and control.

These deaths occur not just because guards are poorly trained and jails understaffed, or because often the procedures in place to protect suicidal inmates are woefully outdated and inadequate. The biggest problem is one of attitude. Inmates are able to commit suicide because their guards have dehumanized them to the point where they don’t care enough whether they live or die. Epstein’s death reminded me of the remorseless, cruel attitude that allows inmates to be kept shackled even in death, when they leave for the local morgue.

Take Ohio, as an example. Remember Ariel Castro, the high-profile “Cleveland kidnapper”? He killed himself in a jail cell in October 2013 and then his guards falsified their logs to hide their incompetence. Remember Billy Slagle? He committed suicide in an Ohio jail hours after prosecutors discovered evidence that might have spared him. Pick a state, any state, and similar stories abound. Hundreds of men and women kill themselves in their cells. How many guards do you think are disciplined when these suicides occur? How many lose their jobs?

Nor should any of us be surprised that the Bureau of Prisons, our national prison system, is the scene of so many suicides. Federal prison officials for years, for decades, have refused to acknowledge the scope of the problem. For instance, in the wake of a spate of suicides a few years ago they sent out a note to inmates encouraging the despairing among them to come forward. When one inmate, Percy Barron, came forward asking for such help he was ignored. So he tried to kill himself, failed, and then was punished for breaking BOP rules.

Nearly six years ago I wrote about the suicide of Robert Gerald Knott, who killed himself at the ADX-Florence penitentiary in Colorado. We know the grim details of Knott’s last moments only because a fellow prisoner, Jabbar Currence, chronicled the suicide and then shared what he had seen with his lawyer. Congressional oversight? Don’t bet on it. I’ve watched countless hours of Capitol Hill testimony from Bureau of Prisons officials and the only thing I ever learned is that there is no transparency or accountability within the BOP. It is its own fiefdom.

U.S. Attorney General William Barr said Saturday that Epstein’s death was “appalling” and that the Justice Department already is investigating the matter. Congress, too, wants answers about how this could happen to a high-profile inmate in one of the most secure jails in the nation. The feds said over the weekend that Epstein was taken off a suicide watch on July 29, less than one week after his reported failed suicide attempt. Who made this dubious decision, and why, must be shared with the public in the investigations to come.

Until then, and likely afterward, Epstein’s death will be enveloped by conspiracy theories, many of which surfaced before his body got cold. The only real conspiracy here is the ageless one between and among prison guards and jail officials who too often treat at-risk inmates with callous disregard and deliberate indifference. Too many guards just don’t care whether a prisoner lives or dies. Until that changes, each year hundreds of men and women, both the guilty and the innocent, will die, desperate and alone in their cells.

Andrew Cohen is a senior editor at The Marshall Project, and a fellow at the Brennan Center for Justice.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2019, 21:01:22 »
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« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2019, 22:38:05 »
He can suck my a$$......

While Epstein allegedly had some sexual perversions, that particular fetish has not been reported as being within his repertoire.
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« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2019, 22:48:56 »
Interesting article on how suicides in US prisons is not that unusual.

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And not unusual in our federal system either.

We’ve had one completed suicide in our Manitoba provincial system since 2010.

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« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2019, 07:39:22 »
He can suck my a$$......

That will be considerably harder for him to do now.
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« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2019, 08:00:09 »
I'm thinking I should have much more specific... :facepalm:
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« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2019, 08:50:59 »
I'm thinking I should have much more specific... :facepalm:
No, the imagery from that simple statement is more than enough, thanks.   :boke:

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« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2019, 16:19:50 »
 :sarcasm: I don't care who you are. Nobody has 56 friends that commit suicide :sarcasm:
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« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2019, 19:30:24 »
It all depends on how seriously you take the person at risk and how well you do your job.

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« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2019, 20:53:34 »

The conspiracy nuts on left thinks it’s Trump.  the conspiracy nuts on the right think it’s Clinton. 

My money is on Candyman.


It might not be that far fetched that Epstein himself paid off an overworked underpaid Guard to turn a blind eye so he could make his exit.
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« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2019, 21:33:18 »
Some people love their conspiracy theories,

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/us/politics/trump-epstein-conspiracy-theories.html
President Trump has long used his fame and platform to amplify conspiracy theories and undermine his political enemies by muddying the waters when it comes to facts.

Probably the most infamous jail house suicide since Hermann Göring.

Not all that uncommon among high profile inmates,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prison_deaths
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #35 on: August 12, 2019, 21:39:31 »
I'm not going to yammer and pontificate much more on this subject.

We, at least in our institution, take all talk of suicide seriously. Some of our guests joke about it and we know that, but they are still assessed  to ascertain that they are not suicidal.
I'm an ASIST instructor and I tell everyone to take all suicide talk seriously. We have to.

Would an Epstein completed suicide in any jail? Possibly yes. As for him being taken off suicide watch, few inmates are on suicide watch for longer than a week. Generally the suicidal thoughts go away and they are downgraded, moved back to his or her cell and supervised like other inmates.

We did have one inmate on suicide watch for months on end. His crime was particularly heinous, but despite how we felt personally about him we ensured he stayed alive. He was one of the few who needed one on one suicide watch because he would have attempted if he was in a camera cell.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #36 on: August 12, 2019, 21:44:23 »
I'm no prevention expert. But, one observation I came to many years ago was if someone was determined to kill themselves, they would.

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« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2019, 07:16:47 »
The conspiracy nuts on left thinks it’s Trump.  the conspiracy nuts on the right think it’s Clinton. 

My money is on Candyman.


It might not be that far fetched that Epstein himself paid off an overworked underpaid Guard to turn a blind eye so he could make his exit.

I bet he didn't even have to do that.  Just say the "right" things to prison staff (Correctional Officers, Psychologists etc) to make them believe he isn't suicidal, and they take him off suicide watch. And to those surprised he was off suicide watch I'd be surprised after a few weeks behind bars he'd still be on it.  In my experience in corrections it's been a short term "solution" if you will, to prevent suicides.  And it's more than just physical security monitoring (cameras, checking cell etc), it involves psychologists/psychiatrists counselling the offender.  Usually three to four days has been the maximum I've seen inmates on suicide watch in my experience
 
As for those having these conspiracy theories, here's one.  Epstein was a 66 year old high profile pedophile facing 45 years (I believe that would have been his sentence) behind bars, doing hard time.  He would have been released when he turned 111 years old, meaning in reality he'd die behind bars.  Epstein did the math and decided why wait to die behind bars, he'll do it now by his own hands.  Really no surprise at all

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« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2019, 15:29:31 »
Most don’t like the truth just like the Kennedy assasination
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« Reply #40 on: August 13, 2019, 17:52:19 »
Breaking news!! Epstein's killer has been identified! Picture follows:

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #41 on: August 13, 2019, 18:41:22 »
I bet he didn't even have to do that.  Just say the "right" things to prison staff (Correctional Officers, Psychologists etc) to make them believe he isn't suicidal, and they take him off suicide watch. And to those surprised he was off suicide watch I'd be surprised after a few weeks behind bars he'd still be on it.  In my experience in corrections it's been a short term "solution" if you will, to prevent suicides.  And it's more than just physical security monitoring (cameras, checking cell etc), it involves psychologists/psychiatrists counselling the offender.  Usually three to four days has been the maximum I've seen inmates on suicide watch in my experience
 
As for those having these conspiracy theories, here's one.  Epstein was a 66 year old high profile pedophile facing 45 years (I believe that would have been his sentence) behind bars, doing hard time.  He would have been released when he turned 111 years old, meaning in reality he'd die behind bars.  Epstein did the math and decided why wait to die behind bars, he'll do it now by his own hands.  Really no surprise at all

My two cents

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Yup. Doing time behind real security as a rich guy who's also a skinner? That's about as bad a go as it gets. I have no difficulty believing he killed himself. He probably knew they had him dead to rights and that it would only get worse once search warrants were executed.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #42 on: August 13, 2019, 18:54:57 »
Yup. Doing time behind real security as a rich guy who's also a skinner? That's about as bad a go as it gets. I have no difficulty believing he killed himself. He probably knew they had him dead to rights and that it would only get worse once search warrants were executed.

IIRC he wouldn't be going to trial until next June at the earliest; so a whole year stuck in a cell that's probably not much bigger a medium sized washroom. And as Brihard says, in the prison system, child abusers are the lowest of the low.
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« Reply #43 on: August 13, 2019, 19:14:08 »
IIRC he wouldn't be going to trial until next June at the earliest; so a whole year stuck in a cell that's probably not much bigger a medium sized washroom. And as Brihard says, in the prison system, child abusers are the lowest of the low.

Unless you are former PC Michael Bunting, of course:

Michael Bunting endured every cop's worst nightmare... being banged up in jail with criminals

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« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2019, 09:11:19 »
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Not saying not true, since I've never worked in that facility, but when I was in (as a Correctional Officer, not a con) when you did your range walk there was a punch at the end of the range which verified you went down range and back and how long your range walk took. There was also a log book but not just a log book
Surprising they would have a logbook only

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« Reply #46 on: August 14, 2019, 12:29:29 »
Maybe the place was slack right to the top and didn't bother checking "punches"....until caca hit the fan of course.
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« Reply #47 on: August 14, 2019, 13:46:16 »
there was a punch at the end of the range

Maybe the place was slack right to the top and didn't bother checking "punches"....until caca hit the fan of course.

In case anyone is unfamiliar with them,
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« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2019, 14:27:43 »
What amuses me is the speed with which both the "conspiracy" and "nothing to see here" crowds leapt to their respective positions.  Very few people inhabit the "let's wait for the investigation to conclude, shall we?" region any more.
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« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2019, 14:31:32 »
The ones we had at Millhaven when I was a young fish screw LOL were on the range wall. You walked to the end of the range and pressed the switch.
But I am familiar (although never used one myself) with the type you showed.
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #50 on: August 14, 2019, 14:58:24 »
On Instapundit:

"Seen on Facebook: “While the medical examiner was on lunch break today, Epstein cremated himself.”"
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #51 on: August 14, 2019, 14:59:03 »
In case anyone is unfamiliar with them,

The old punch clocks have been replaced by an electronic type.

They are a step above the old clocks.

Besides, there are other ways to determine if rounds were or were not done.
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« Reply #52 on: August 14, 2019, 15:15:58 »
What amuses me is the speed with which both the "conspiracy" and "nothing to see here" crowds leapt to their respective positions. 

Nothing new about conspiracy theories,

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Jeffrey Epstein and 22 other Trump-fueled conspiracy theories
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/08/12/bizarre-conspiracy-theories-trump-has-elevated/

The old punch clocks have been replaced by an electronic type.

When they used to send us into the Don on calls, their night shift carried the type in the pic. Nice to know they have gone high-tech.

Regarding the guards,
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #53 on: August 14, 2019, 18:48:01 »
I was very saddened to hear that Epstein's guard was tragically killed in an auto accident next Thursday.
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« Reply #54 on: August 14, 2019, 20:40:00 »
I was very saddened to hear that Epstein's guard was tragically killed in an auto accident next Thursday.

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« Reply #55 on: August 14, 2019, 21:16:53 »
I was very saddened to hear that Epstein's guard was tragically killed in an auto accident next Thursday.

I'll bet the guard calls in sick next Thursday now.
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« Reply #56 on: August 14, 2019, 21:24:32 »
Besides, there are other ways to determine if rounds were or were not done.

Like cameras?

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Surveillance video reviewed after the death showed guards never made some of the checks noted in the log
https://globalnews.ca/news/5762859/jeffrey-epstein-jail-logs-checks/

Sleeping on the job is hardly a conspiracy. I wasn't a guard, but I slept on the job.



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« Reply #57 on: August 14, 2019, 23:41:10 »
Oops nyuk nyuk nyuk Why I otta....
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« Reply #58 on: August 14, 2019, 23:57:26 »
Like cameras?

Sleeping on the job is hardly a conspiracy. I wasn't a guard, but I slept on the job.

If I was in charge of a jail, I'd ask the inmates how well the guards were doing their jobs.

Oh, wait, I think I'm channelling the plot for 'Brubaker' :)
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« Reply #59 on: August 15, 2019, 14:21:44 »
If I was in charge of a jail, I'd ask the inmates how well the guards were doing their jobs.



That’s what they do in the Federal system 😉
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« Reply #60 on: August 15, 2019, 22:20:06 »
I had a laugh about a FB meme going around.....

"When the medical examiner was on lunch break, Epstein cremated himself." 


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« Reply #61 on: Yesterday at 17:14:46 »
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/medical-examiner-epstein-death-suicide-hanging-ruling-1.5250432

Of course conspiracy theorists will say the coroner was paid off to cover up the "truth" of Epstein's death.  But really nothing to see here, just a POS who's gone

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« Reply #62 on: Yesterday at 17:27:42 »
Of course conspiracy theorists will say the coroner was paid off to cover up the "truth" of Epstein's death. 

Of course you are right.

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FBI agents are livid that Trump is amplifying 'bulls--- theories' about Jeffrey Epstein's death 'that have no basis in reality'
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FBI personnel are furious that  President Donald Trump retweeted to his 63 million Twitter followers a baseless conspiracy theory suggesting that former President Bill Clinton was involved in the death of the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein.
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