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Isn’t this what BLM/Antifa has been doing nationally for the last 3 months?



Former counterterrorism chief: Trump defeat may prompt right-wing terror attacks

Sean D. Naylor •National Security Correspondent
August 18, 2020, 3:09 PM GMT-4•10 mins read
https://news.yahoo.com/former-counterterror-chief-trump-defeat-may-prompt-rightwing-terror-attacks-190913288.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw&tsrc=twtr

The former head of the National Counterterrorism Center said he would not be surprised if right-wing domestic terrorist groups stage attacks in the United States around this November’s presidential election.

“It certainly wouldn’t surprise me, particularly if the administration loses,” said Russ Travers, who was the center’s acting director when he was fired by President Trump’s hand-picked acting director of national intelligence.

Trump, who is behind in all national polls, has repeatedly claimed that the expected widespread use of mail-in ballots during a national pandemic will lead to “massive fraud and abuse” and an election result that is “rigged” against him. “The political rhetoric is such that you could very easily see some backlash” from white supremacist or other right-wing terror groups, Travers said.

Travers is not alone in his assessment. An Aug. 17 Department of Homeland Security analysis also warns of possible election-related attacks. “We assess ideologically-motivated violent extremists and other violent actors could quickly mobilize to threaten or engage in violence against election or campaign-related targets in response to perceived partisan and policy-based grievances,” says the document, which was obtained by Yahoo News.

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Isn’t this what BLM/Antifa has been doing nationally for the last 3 months?

More at link

Yes, there is "more at link",

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Despite Trump’s declared intent to designate the left-wing activist movement known as antifa as a domestic terror organization, the threat from right-wing groups dwarfs that of their left-wing counterparts in the United States, according to Travers.


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Yes, there is "more at link",

Sorry about that mariomike

I don't know how to insert a link into a word such as link.

Usually I write "more at link above".
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Sorry about that mariomike

I don't know how to insert a link into a word such as link.

Usually I write "more at link above".

1. Insert the hyperlink tool (url][/url] - (note that I've replaced the square bracket at the beginning of the tool by a round bracket throughout so that the example will display it the way it should be typed rather that how will display)

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Yes, there is "more at link",
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Despite Trump’s declared intent to designate the left-wing activist movement known as antifa as a domestic terror organization, the threat from right-wing groups dwarfs that of their left-wing counterparts in the United States, according to Travers.

I need my eyes checked. I did not see that quote about RW terror earlier.

I thought your comment was about not inserting the uurl thing into a word. ;)
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1. Insert the hyperlink tool (url][/url] - (note that I've replaced the square bracket at the beginning of the tool by a round bracket throughout so that the example will display it the way it should be typed rather that how will display)

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3 then amend the link by deleting the "close square bracket" after [url and replacing it with an = sign and adding a "close square bracket" after the full link address and inserting the text you wish to substitute. (url=https://sites.google.com/view/wolfriedel]see here[/url]

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The 5,000 or so remaining KKK members meeting in their mom's basement are flattered to know they are so threatening.

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The 5,000 or so remaining KKK members meeting in their mom's basement are flattered to know they are so threatening.

Are you forgetting the circumstances in which our erstwhile combat engineer from Manitoba got picked up?

There’s a significant and in some instances dangerous undercurrent of violent radicalism in the fringes of politics on both sides of the border. It’s not a partisan statement to acknowledge the reality of this increasing threat. US police and intelligence services sure as hell know it’s there.
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The 5,000 or so remaining KKK members meeting in their mom's basement are flattered to know they are so threatening.

The FBI thinks differently:

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The FBI has elevated its assessment of the threat posed by racially-motivated violent extremists in the U.S. to a "national threat priority" for fiscal year 2020, FBI director Christopher Wray said Wednesday. He said the FBI is placing the risk of violence from such groups "on the same footing" as threats posed to the country by foreign terrorist organizations such as ISIS and its sympathizers.


"Not only is the terror threat diverse — it's unrelenting," Wray said at an oversight hearing before the House Judiciary Committee.

Racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists, or domestic terrorists motivated by racial or religious hatred, make up a "huge chunk" of the FBI's domestic terrorism investigations, Wray said in statements before the Senate Homeland Security Committee last November. The majority of those attacks are "fueled by some type of white supremacy," he said. ...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/racially-motivated-violent-extremism-isis-national-threat-priority-fbi-director-christopher-wray/

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There are also all the various militias and survivalists; there are a lot of heavily armed anti-government groups with a variety of weird beliefs. The Oathkeepers come to mind, and they have grown to over 30000 members in under ten years; there are a lot of various nutjobs running along the lines of 2nd amendment defenders.

Not all of them are necessarily white supremacists, but there is a spectrum of heavily armed and organized groups in the far-right side of the US political aisle. Plus all the lone wolf attacks; a lot of the mass shooters have been radicalized by far right philosophies.

Basically there are is a whole lot of crazies with a whole lot of guns, and even if there is a surge of left wing radicals, the right wing nuts have had a least a century of a headstart, and have been murdering a lot of people for a long time. When they deliberately join the police and other security/defence forces it's not actually a conspiracy theory to think that they continue to fly under the radar because they have people on the inside.

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And what happens if Trump wins? The Left (Antifa and their ilk) go ballistic and destroy more cities with riots and beat many more innocent people.

Its the extreme left that is far more dangerous and very few politicians have the balls to confront them.
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Its the extreme left that is far more dangerous

Do you have a source for that?

From the Original Post:

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Despite Trump’s declared intent to designate the left-wing activist movement known as antifa as a domestic terror organization, the threat from right-wing groups dwarfs that of their left-wing counterparts in the United States, according to Travers.

See also Reply #8 in this thread,

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The FBI thinks differently:

The FBI has elevated its assessment of the threat posed by racially-motivated violent extremists in the U.S. to a "national threat priority" for fiscal year 2020, FBI director Christopher Wray said Wednesday. He said the FBI is placing the risk of violence from such groups "on the same footing" as threats posed to the country by foreign terrorist organizations such as ISIS and its sympathizers.


"Not only is the terror threat diverse — it's unrelenting," Wray said at an oversight hearing before the House Judiciary Committee.

Racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists, or domestic terrorists motivated by racial or religious hatred, make up a "huge chunk" of the FBI's domestic terrorism investigations, Wray said in statements before the Senate Homeland Security Committee last November. The majority of those attacks are "fueled by some type of white supremacy," he said. ...



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It is the extreme left that is far more dangerous and very few politicians have the balls to confront them.

Depends on whose facts you believe. 

Crazies like that, rigt or left are all dangerous.  It seems US law enforcement has analysed it enough to determine that the far right is more dangerous but that does not fit Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson or Donald Trump's narrative so it can be hard to accept for some who are more worried about the extreme radical left.

I hope and expect that law enforcement is tracking and dealing with both as best they can. 
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And what happens if Trump wins?

Special Counsel Mueller said a sitting president can't be indicted.

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Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III Makes Statement on Investigation into Russian Interference in the 2016 Presidential Election
https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/special-counsel-robert-s-mueller-iii-makes-statement-investigation-russian-interference

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Wednesday, May 29, 2019

The Special Counsel’s Office is part of the Department of Justice and, by regulation, it was bound by that Department policy.  Charging the President with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider.

So, that won't change.

Also, as a sitting president, he will retain his pardoning power.

Perhaps even pardon himself?
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"Canadians among most active in online right-wing extremism"

Well, that is an eye-opener.

I read the CBC article and I find it hard to believe that the "incel" movement/subculture is right wing. Seems to me these guys don't know how to get a hooker for their loneliness. Maybe I'm wrong but incel shouldn't be classed as RW.
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Anything can be classed as Right Wing, Fascist, White Supremacist if certain people or groups find it useful to do so.

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Probably because of its anti-women, anti feminist agenda, incel groups are classified as such.  They also overlap a lot with white supremecy groups, especially online groups which seems to be where a lot of this festers.

This seems to be a relatively new phenomenon so how it is classed may shift.

I see this more as a mental thing more than anything else as opposed to extreme radical political ideology. 

They may be more susceptible or attracted to one ideology over another though.
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There are still a few groups of people whom it is permissible to revile if they are unable to function at expected social levels for reasons that are part of their wiring - incels, pedophiles, and survivalists, for example.  They had the misfortune not to be born with some socially harmful quirk, such as susceptibility to drug addiction, that has become tolerable or even generates sympathy and assistance.  I suppose eventually we'll get to the point where all the problems and difficulties people are born with are no longer their "fault", but we are not yet at that destination.  So marginalization will continue, and the marginalized will react.

I expect more "right-wing" extremism as a matter of course, if "right-wing" is synonymous with a tilt towards individualism.  Outcasts aren't part of the in-group or collective.
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I expect more "right-wing" extremism as a matter of course, if "right-wing" is synonymous with a tilt towards individualism.  Outcasts aren't part of the in-group or collective.

The concept of the right winger being the robust individualist standing up for his rights against an oppressive regime is a myth that right wingers tell each other to make themselves feel good about themselves.

There are just as many "individualists" amongst the Antifa rabble that you so detest.

What that "individualism" in fact is is an element of the "me" generation that bridges all sides of society. People who feel that society's laws or mores do not apply to them when it's inconvenient to them. They pick out those aspects of the social fabric that they want and they rail out against those that they don't like. They act out on whatever issues drive them at the moment and have little regard for the rights of others.

We're not talking about the mass of the population that lives peacefully in the centre but who lean left or right on various issues. We're not talking about the Marlboro man who just wants to live peacefully by himself in his cabin in the woods in upstate Idaho here. We're talking about a group of outsiders with radical beliefs for whom violence is an accepted or acceptable way of expressing themselves. They exist on both fringes although, for the time being, the larger number exist on the extreme right (at least based on the statistics coming out of virtually every police force in the western world)

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Apparently the Rangers are the new training grounds for far-right organizers according to experts.


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Potential for radicalism

More loosely knit than regular forces and even some long-standing reserve formations, the Rangers are seen by experts as a new place for far-right organizers who want their members to get survival and weapons training. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rideau-hall-attack-ranger-1.5694022
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If a professor gets caught for child porn, does that make academia a training ground for pedophiles? Serious question.

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Apparently the Rangers are the new training grounds for far-right organizers according to experts.

 
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rideau-hall-attack-ranger-1.5694022

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