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Lieutenant-Corporal?
« on: September 24, 2002, 08:37:00 »
Posted by Jean-Francois Menicucci <menicucci@videotron.ca> on Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:58:54 -0400
I am reading " The Patricias " by David J. Bercuson, and I noticed
Lieutenant-Corporal, can anyone tell me how this rank can be the equivalent now,
was it the predecessor of Lance-Cpl ? etc...
Jf
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Re: Lieutenant-Corporal?
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2002, 08:37:00 »
Posted by Beth MacFarlane <elljay@nbnet.nb.ca> on Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:56:03 -0300
I think it must be a misprint - because I have never heard of it except in the book
you mentioned.
Bob
Jean-Francois Menicucci wrote:
> I am reading " The Patricias " by David J. Bercuson, and I noticed
> Lieutenant-Corporal, can anyone tell me how this rank can be the equivalent now,
> was it the predecessor of Lance-Cpl ? etc...
>
> Jf
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Re: Lieutenant-Corporal?
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2002, 08:38:00 »
Posted by Juno847627709@aol.com on Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:25:03 EDT
I saw something like it on *M*A*S*H*...
LOL
    But I think that was ‘Corporal-Captain‘....
    No dice, JF... Sorry.
            Matt
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Re: Lieutenant-Corporal?
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2002, 08:38:00 »
Posted by "Donald Schepens" <a.schepens@home.com> on Sun, 17 Jun 2001 09:38:39 -0600
I have never heard of it.  Sort of like the corporal-captain in one of the
MASH tv shows.
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> I think it must be a misprint - because I have never heard of it except in
the book
> you mentioned.
> Bob
>
> Jean-Francois Menicucci wrote:
>
> > I am reading " The Patricias " by David J. Bercuson, and I noticed
> > Lieutenant-Corporal, can anyone tell me how this rank can be the
equivalent now,
> > was it the predecessor of Lance-Cpl ? etc...
> >
> > Jf
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Re: Lieutenant-Corporal?
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2002, 08:38:00 »
Posted by "dave" <dave.newcombe@home.com> on Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:12:13 -0700
I believe it is a rank it Burgess‘s private Army........Lieutenant corporal,
Sgt-general, Major-Nuisance.......
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RE: Lieutenant-Corporal?
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2002, 08:39:00 »
Posted by "C. Bryon McLeod" <bryonmcleod@gorge.net> on Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:38:43 -0700
HI all,
This topic brings the following question to mind
Just what is the origin of
Lieutenant
Captain
Major
Colonel
General
and any other rank for that matter
Major Paine
QBLB
:Queens own black lung brigade: :
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I believe it is a rank it Burgess‘s private Army........Lieutenant corporal,
Sgt-general, Major-Nuisance.......
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Rank Etymologies, was Re: Lieutenant-Corporal?
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2002, 08:39:00 »
Posted by m.oleary@ns.sympatico.ca Mike Oleary on Sun, 17 Jun 2001 16:29:53 -0400
Etymologic notes from the Concise Oxford:
Private =3D=3D> Middle English from the Latin privatus, originally a
derivative of privare to deprive, no idea how this came to mean a
soldier, though it almost seems a superb encapsulation of a soldier‘s
life from the general perspective of the citizenry, or the stereotypical
officer corps   -
Corporal =3D=3D>obsolete French, variation of caporal from the Italian
caporale, probably from the Latin corporalis body combined/confused
with the Itlaian capo head
Sergeant =3D=3D> Middle English, from the Old French sergent, from Latin
serviens  and/or serventis  servant
Lieutenant  =3D=3D> from the Old French lieu place and tenant Holder,
which I suspect is a literal appointment of a junior officer being
prepared to hold the place of his Captain
Captain =3D=3D>  Middel English and Old French capitain, from the Late
latin capitaneus chiefm which is from the Latin caput or capitus
head
Major =3D=3D> originally a shortened for of the French sergent-major
Sergeant Major, orginally a high rank, evolved through Middle English
from the Latin magnus great
Colonel =3D=3D> from the obsolete French coronel, from the Italian
colonnello colonna - column, perhaps originally taken to designate the
commander of a ‘column‘ or troops
General =3D=3D> Middle English from the Old French, from Latin
generalis, the root genus translates as birth/race/stock
Mike
The Regimental Rogue
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From: "C. Bryon McLeod"
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Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: Lieutenant-Corporal?
> HI all,
>
> This topic brings the following question to mind
>
> Just what is the origin of
>
> Lieutenant
> Captain
> Major
> Colonel
> General
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Etymologic notes from the Concise
Oxford:
Private =3D=3Dgt Middle English from
the Latin
privatus, originally a derivative of
privare to deprive, no idea how this came to
mean a
soldier, though it almost seems a superb encapsulation of a soldier‘s
life from
the general perspective of the citizenry, or the stereotypical officer
corps -
Corporal =3D=3Dgtobsolete French,
variation of
caporal from the Italian
caporale, probably from the Latin
corporalis body combined/confused with the
Itlaian
capo head
Sergeant =3D=3Dgt Middle English,
from the Old French
sergent, from Latin serviens
and/or serventis
servant
Lieutenant =3D=3Dgt from the
Old
Frenchlieu place and
tenant
Holder, which I suspect is a literal appointment of a
junior
officer being prepared to hold the place of his Captain
Captain =3D=3Dgt Middel English
and Old French
capitain, from the Late latin
capitaneus
chiefm which is from the Latin
caput
or capitus head
Major =3D=3Dgt originally a shortened
for of the
French sergent-major Sergeant Major,
orginally a
high rank, evolved throughMiddle English from the Latin
magnus
great
Colonel =3D=3Dgt from the obsolete
French
coronel, from the Italian
colonnello
colonna - column, perhaps
originally
taken to designate the commander of a ‘column‘ or troops
General =3D=3Dgt Middle English from
the Old French,
from Latin generalis, the root genus
translates as
birth/race/stock
Mike
The
Regimental Rogue
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Lieutenant-Corporal?
gt HI all,gt gt
This topic
brings the following question to mindgt gt Just what is the
origin
ofgt gt Lieutenantgt Captaingt Majorgt
Colonelgt General
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Re: Lieutenant-Corporal?
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2002, 08:39:00 »
Posted by "John Gow" <jgow@home.com> on Sun, 17 Jun 2001 15:30:30 -0400
Fairly simple answer, rooted in history...
A Lieutenant, is an old French term, that refers to "one wo is give a place
"office", literally amongst his men, and as "one who acts in the place
of"...ie if the commander is not present, his leiutenants do his bidding.
Captain is old English I think!, for "one who commands"
"Major" I‘m a little colder on, not sure the language of origin, but if we
invert the reference, and skip forward to colonel, wewill understand that
the "Major" is his chief officer-assistant, reposing the "majority" of his
trust look at naval equivalent "Lieutenant Commander"
Colonel comes from old ItalianFrench wording, meaning "the leader of
column", a modern day battalion or regimental force
"General", I‘m not at all sure, but believe it would refer to him in
"General Command"
Not scientific, not extracted from something written in stone, but a pretty
good stab at answering, from the top of my balding head, I think -
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Bryon McLeod"
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: Lieutenant-Corporal?
> HI all,
>
> This topic brings the following question to mind
>
> Just what is the origin of
>
> Lieutenant
> Captain
> Major
> Colonel
> General
>
> and any other rank for that matter
>
> Major Paine
> QBLB
>
> :Queens own black lung brigade: :
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-army-list@CdnArmy.ca [mailto:owner-army-list@CdnArmy.ca]On
> Behalf Of dave
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:12 AM
> To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
> Subject: Re: Lieutenant-Corporal?
>
>
> I believe it is a rank it Burgess‘s private Army........Lieutenant
corporal,
> Sgt-general, Major-Nuisance.......
>
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