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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #100 on: June 26, 2008, 13:49:03 »
Hey guys, looks like I'll be an MP after all.  Just accepted an offer today.  Thanks for all the advice.
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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #101 on: June 26, 2008, 14:06:53 »
Congrats!

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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #102 on: June 28, 2008, 19:40:34 »
Got the call!  Headed to Borden in August for PAT platoon and QL3 which starts in October

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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #103 on: June 28, 2008, 19:54:05 »
I just got back on Friday....I hope I get called this week! Fingers crossed!

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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #104 on: June 29, 2008, 22:47:06 »


     Hello: I was wondering if anyone could clear up some general questions that I had about the position of MPO
     
       1. I picked Navy for my element, I know that MPO, and MP are a purple trade,  will this mean that i'll ever get deployed to an       
            naval  ship?
       2. Can I volunteer for the Naval Boarding party team or Ships diving course
       3. When you get selected do you get to choose which area, you want to be posted on, for instance if I want the East coast over
            west coast ? 

  thanks

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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #105 on: June 30, 2008, 03:54:00 »
1.  MPO do not serve on ship.  Likewise, MP do not normally serve on ship either, although some have gone on familiarization cruises.  MPO and MP do deploy for port security tasks in support of the fleet.

2.  Since you're not on ship, boarding party is out.  I do know a MP who took the Ships Diver's course but I don't think it is likely to happen very often.

3.  When you are on your MPO course, you will be asked for three preferences for posting.  You will then be sent where the CF needs you.

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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #106 on: June 30, 2008, 22:49:20 »

   Thanks for answering my general questions for me.  Now its really deciding if I want to go MPO or Mars Naval Officer.  With Mars you get to pick one of the six different special traits after you get through all your training.  I know MPO get to special advance courses as well, but the Mars officer they have a list of volunteer secondary duties, for instance the boarding team party, ships diving course etc. 

  I was wondering if you knew of any of the secondary duties that MPs and MPOs get to do? Or if there is any..The more courses that I get to take the better for advancement and plus it will help me out in the future with civy policing..Just because I haven't gone to my MPAC yet, because the MPO is at a different time.  I believe they are in Sept.  I wish i went to the last set last week for the MP but I want to go officer.

   thanks for all your help

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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #107 on: July 01, 2008, 03:13:38 »
With respect, I don't think you fully understand what it is MPO do nor what it is you really want to do.  You might want to figure that out prior to attending a MPOAC otherwise you'll be wasting your time by attending as the assessors will quickly figure that out and rate you as not suitable.

As a very broad rule of thumb MP do the "work" and MPO do the administrating.  There are very, very few MPO positions where you don't spend the majority of your days riding a desk.

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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #108 on: July 03, 2008, 12:02:52 »
Just got my call this morning!

Leaving for BMQ Aug 9.

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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #109 on: July 03, 2008, 12:36:43 »
w00t!  3 for 3, congrats to you all!

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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #110 on: July 03, 2008, 13:16:05 »

   Just another general question, i'm trying to find out as much details as possible to make my decision to decide if i should go MPO or Mars.  Sorry if all these questions might sound dumb:

  I know that MPOs are the ones that do the administrative work, I was wondering you said there was a few positions that they did, besides riding the desk...just wondering if you could tell me what they were. Or details on the type of jobs they would do...because i've read the information package on the website, and its telling me that I do a lot of the same things as the MPs, and know thats not correct. 

  I just want to get all the knowledge i can on this position as possible, so i can make an informed decision if this is really want.  And i thought especially for people that just came back from MPAC would have a greater amount of knowledge they could share

   thanks for all your help

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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #111 on: July 03, 2008, 13:39:10 »
They really didn't give us much information as to the job description of an MPO. Your best bet is to write down a bunch of questions then go into the recruiting center or call. Thats what I had to do since every time I went in I would forget all the questions I had.

Best of luck.

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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #112 on: July 03, 2008, 16:03:20 »
 
 

 

Its really very simple, do you want to be a "COP" or a "DESK JOCKEY". Now at any point in your career if you leave the Military but decide to carry on in the LEO profession, you'll get  much more recognition for your Military Police Service as a NCM than a MPO, especially if you came straight in as a MPO.

There are a few Forces that are of the school of thought, that the Higher Achievement of Education a Candident has, the better, the LEO he/she will make. Now the Civilian Forces are quite different as any Ranked Personnel have started and come up through the Ranks and on the Merit of their Police Work, They didn't have the privilege of walking into it at enlistment.

If you really want to be a COP, the choice shouldn't be that hard.


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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #113 on: July 04, 2008, 13:25:33 »
If posted to certain positions in NCIU you'd possibly do counter intelligence tasks.  If posted to certain positions in CFNIS you may do a certain amount of criminal investigations, perhaps conduct some surveillance.  If you were posted to a field Pl, you'd be in the field as either the Pl Comd or the Pl Ops O and you'd be out of the office a lot...camping and such.  If you went to the CPP team or with the Air Marshals, you'd be more in the game but the work is still primarily done by MP not MPO.  Even having said that, the number of positions where these opportunities arise is very low compared to the number of MPO in the Branch and most MPO will never be in positions to do any of that.

I'm not trying to push you away from being a MPO, it is a job that needs to be done but you need to realize that being a MPO does not equal being a MP; you can't just decide one day that you're going out on patrol (we have enough MPO who already think that's their job, thank you very much).  Additionally, you will also find it hard to get courses which CivPol will find attractive as a MPO.  It's also informative to note that Police Services which take MP as lateral entries do not generally accept MPO as laterals.

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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #114 on: July 04, 2008, 14:41:46 »


    Thanks, you for all your help....i guess my next question for you...if i go MPO route, and don't enjoy that position, how hard is it to do an occupation transfer, to MP?   I just thought with my university degree and police foundation program this would be the best way to get ahead in the policing field...but i guess you guys are proving me wrong on this one...I know that police services in ontario, told me they look highly at any military time, and when i'm still young fresh out of school, i thought an officer position would loook amazing....

   thanks again for all the help, you have cleared up a lot of details for me

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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #115 on: July 05, 2008, 01:31:26 »

     i'm still young fresh out of school, i thought an officer position would loook amazing....

   

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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #116 on: July 05, 2008, 05:58:41 »
If you found you didn't like the MPO role, it would be very difficult for you to become a MP.  You would have to resign your commission and take your release from the CF, then re-enroll as a MP if you were found suitable at an MPAC.  Although you would probably be given a bypass of Recruit School, you would have to do the entire basic MP course, do another PEP etc.

BUT, if you wanted to enter as an MP first and then take a look at MPO later on if you still find being an officer appealing, you would be able to try for that via the Special Commissioning Plan (SCP).  SCP is never a sure thing but I think it might be a better route to try for you.  Again, I'm not trying to dissuade you from going MPO if that is truly what it is you want to do, but I'm getting the sense that you want to be a "doer" whether it be via the MP Branch or MARS so if you do decide to go the MP Branch route, MP is probably going to be a better fit for your long term goals.  Of course, you're the only one who is going to be able to make that decision.

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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #117 on: July 05, 2008, 18:32:40 »
Strace,

I was in the same position that you are in...I have both the diploma and degree...I opted to go the MP route first because you can always apply for a commission later but if you go MPO first than it will be alot more difficult to go MP...

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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #118 on: July 05, 2008, 20:55:44 »
 
    Rocksteady:

    i'm assuming that you took the position of MP...just wondering how you like it, did you mind the pay difference, and how do you see the MPO position.  My main goal is to to play a more leadership role, but still want to support my teammates.  For me its not all about the fancy whistles. I know MPs get to go to the calls, and see the live action.  For me the reason why I think MPO would suit me better, is because I would like lead a group and make informed decisions.  Where I get to be on the side lines, but still have a very important part. 

  If i'm wrong, please notifiy if thats not the case what a MPO does.  I know the position does a lot of admistrative work, but they do get to support and supervision awell. My other goal is training and teaching...but i'm not to sure, if thats the case that MPO do..if i'm wrong about the position let me know...

   i'm just trying to get see how much interaction the MPO does with the CF community and building relationship with their co-workers..Or if you could tell me some of the roles, that the MPO officer does at the detachment.  I'm just trying to get a more clear answer where I would like to be.  To me the MPO sounds like it plays the Sgt. role in civiy police world, and the MPs play the cops. 

  Thanks for all your help, I know all these questions and wondering might sound really stupid...but i'm really trying to get a feel for what exactly i'm getting into
thanks

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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #119 on: July 06, 2008, 02:11:36 »
 


Strace My Laddie, you're joining the Army, its Hard, Tough, Demanding and Serious Busness.

You're going to be a Soldier, its secondary in what capacity.

After reading your last post, thank God you have'nt decided on the Infantry. I would suggest you seek out your local MP Unit or Detachment and ply your questions there regarding your inquries concerning MPO or NCM .

I can assure you, by your post you have completely no knowledge of Civilian Police, Rank Structures and their Duties.

I strongly suggest you pay attention to "garb811" suggestions and explanations.

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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #120 on: July 06, 2008, 13:50:33 »
I'm sure Rocksteady is hating the pay difference he'll be facing the first few years:

OCdt:  $2557 / Pte(R):  $2534
2Lt:  $3468 - $5221 / Cpl:  $4770 - $5103
Lt:  $3813 - $5318 / MCpl:  $4952 - $5290
Capt:  $5602 - $7405 / Sgt:  $5484 - $5694

The sad fact is, for your first 4-6 years, everyone else in the Guardhouse is going to be making more money than you.  It's only once you are promoted to Capt that you start to pull ahead, and even then you'll need to be at Increment 6 to be assured that you're getting more money than your MWO, Increment 3 if you're in a smaller guardhouse and only have a WO.

The whole idea that you need to be an officer to be a leader is wrong.  In the MP world, MPO are not leaders, unless you are talking in the "corporate leadership" sense or you are one of the lucky 6 at the time who are serving in a Field Pl.  You do not lead from behind a desk, nor are you able to lead when you do not have technical mastery of your profession.  MP do not go to the MPO for advice on how to process an impaired driver, how to lodge someone into cells, how to respond to a domestic dispute etc.  The day to day implementation of the technical aspects of the MP Branch is the realm of the NCOs and WOs, not MPO. 

At some points the MPO will become more closely involved, ie. if they are the MP Duty Officer during silent hours, but the vast majority of the time, you will only be finding out about most matters well after the issue is over and the report writing phase has begun.  Even in a more serious instance where you WILL be informed immediately because the Base Commander and the higher MP Chain is going to be calling you within minutes, it is not your job to get out there and "run the show".  Your job is to be the buffer and stop the cascade of interference and dumb *** requests for more information while the MP get on with the investigation.

Training and teaching...MPO do it to a degree, there are MPO at the Academy, but for the most part, instruction for MP is done by NCOs and WOs as they are the ones with the in person, first hand knowledge.

As an MPO you will have interaction with the greater CF community.  You would be the Base Commander's adviser on police and security matters.  You would fill the same role for the COs of any lodger units.  Depending on the base, you would probably be on one or more base committees.

I think FastEddy has come up with the best immediate action for you and I apologize for not suggesting it sooner.  Get ahold of the closest Reg Force MP Det and go down for a visit and see first hand for yourself what it is everyone in the Det does.  In your case, make sure you speak to more than just the MPO though, speak to NCOs as well, both those on patrol but also those working day jobs and their supervisors.  If you're too far away, you can also simply speak to someone on the phone.  If you don't know where your closest Det is, PM me your city and I'll get you the info.

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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #121 on: July 06, 2008, 22:37:29 »
That even cleared some gray areas up for me. Thanks Garb!  ;)

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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #122 on: July 08, 2008, 10:45:33 »
When is a MP recruit promoted to cpl? I have been hearing mixed responses from many sources. Hamilton CFRC says its after CFMPA and the people at MPAC say its after BMQ. If find it slightly unnerving that I'm not getting the same answer across the board. Does anyone have a solid answer? I have read the threads but I'm wondering if it has it been changed recently?

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Re: 2008 MPACs
« Reply #123 on: July 14, 2008, 18:59:25 »
In regards to your last post on Cpl promotions.  Here in Borden after MP's have graduated BMQ, as a general rule "we" the BMQ school promote them to Cpl same day.

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« Reply #124 on: July 14, 2008, 19:01:39 »
   Just wondering:  If anyone knew when the next MPAC is for MPs, my recruiter says i might not be put on the MPAC for MPOs due to the the back log that they have in Aug, which is very disappointing b/c i've been waiting since December.  So if I have to go threw the other route and  get the best of both worlds , as an MP and then work up to MPO thats fine..I rather do that, then try and do an occupation transfer, from  logistic officer..which I was told was a lot harder to do...This way I could get a lot of the same training and when i want to hit the desk, it will be a lot easier for me

   thanks for your help...