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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3675 on: March 03, 2020, 02:26:39 »
Start of an article at Proceedings of US Naval Institute:

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China’s Navy Will Be the World’s Largest in 2035
By Rear Admiral Michael A. McDevitt, U.S. Navy (Retired)

It is difficult to appreciate just how fast China has been able to create a blue water navy. One way is to compare it to the other great navies of the world, as the chart below does. This comparison is not a top-to-bottom order of battle inventory in which every ship of every class is counted. Rather it is a comparison of the number of Chinese blue water warships to other nations that historically have demonstrated the ability to operate globally. The ship count totals are projected to the 2020-2021-time frame.



The chart shows that in terms of modern warships and submarines China far outstrips any erstwhile naval competitors, except for the United States. While the PLAN’s far-seas capabilities are impressive when measured against the rest of the world, the U.S. Navy’s still overshadow the PLAN—for now. Virtually all of the U.S. Navy’s warships are blue water capable because they are expected to operate globally. The United States has both a qualitative and quantitative advantage in aircraft carriers, high-end air defense cruisers and destroyers, large amphibious ships, and nuclear attack submarines. On the other hand, all of China’s ships—both the “blue water” ships listed above plus those not included in the chart because they are not “blue water” but are dedicated to “near seas” roles—are homeported in East Asia, providing a “home field advantage” over most of the U.S. Navy that is homeported thousands of miles away. What this means in practice is that on a daily basis virtually all of the Chinese Navy is either in port in China or operating in home waters in and around the First Island Chain. This yields a significant firepower advantage over the U.S. Seventh Fleet.

How Large will the PLAN be in 2035?

Chinese President Xi Xinping wants a “world class force.” He wants the naval modernization associated with becoming world class “to be largely completed by 2035,” just 15 years away. China has yet to publish its intended navy force structure objective, which remains a state secret. A few experts like Rick Joe and James Fanell, however, have published projections of PLAN strength in 2030. Building off their work and others’, here is my estimate of overall PLAN warship strength in 2035.

To speculate on what the PLAN will look like in 15 years, a good starting point is to assess what it has done in the past 15 years.  In this short decade and a half, China launched and/or commissioned 131 blue-water capable ships and built approximately 144 other warships destined for operations only in China’s near seas, for a grand total of approximately 275 new warships.  During several of these years China’s most modern ship yards were not yet in full production, so it is not unreasonable to forecast that over the next 15 years it could commission or launch 140 more blue-water ships to grow its far-seas capacity and to replace some of today’s blue water ships that were commissioned between 2005 and 2010. In sum, I predict the PLAN’s blue water capable ships in 2035 will number around 270 warships...
https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2020/february/chinas-navy-will-be-worlds-largest-2035

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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3676 on: March 03, 2020, 03:50:17 »
Start of an article at Proceedings of US Naval Institute:

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Adding on to the point about China's navy in its entirety being home ported in one part of the world- America, while possessing a huge navy, also possesses huge commitments. While starting with more blue water navy than China, their strategic interests are less resilient to combat attrition, I think. China doesn't need its navy to project power in the same way America does; America must preserve its navy so that it can. An American carrier sunk fighting China cannot project power to deter Russia, Iran, or North Korea. It cannot launch sorties against Syria, or supporting special forces in North or East Africa. Any fight America gets into will still exist concurrent with their other strategic interests and imperatives, so they can less afford to 'spend' their forces than China can. And I expect both sides know this.
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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3677 on: March 03, 2020, 13:52:47 »
Start of an article at Proceedings of US Naval Institute:

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Friend familiar with naval and military matters observes about the PLA Navy:

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Straight line extrapolations often don't make it into actual history.

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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3678 on: March 04, 2020, 16:44:28 »
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Considerate Chicoms Provide Uyghurs with Free Vocational Training

That’s the line their ambassador to Canada is taking at the CDA Institute’s Annual Ottawa Conference on Security and Defence–story by the CBC’s Murray Brewster (tweets here)...
https://mark3ds.wordpress.com/2020/03/04/considerate-chicoms-provide-uyghurs-with-free-vocational-training/

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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3679 on: March 04, 2020, 17:07:26 »
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Bahaha this makes me laugh - free vocational training meaning breaking big rocks into little rocks, also known as "re-education"
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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3680 on: March 04, 2020, 17:15:16 »
Bahaha this makes me laugh - free vocational training meaning breaking big rocks into little rocks, also known as "re-education"

Character building with Chinese characteristics.

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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3681 on: March 04, 2020, 19:18:22 »
And the 8 ft fence topped with barb is to give the residents peace of mind so they can sleep and not worry about break and enter.  Very thoughtful

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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3682 on: March 14, 2020, 16:05:39 »
RAAF arming up in face of PLA Navy:

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Australia ups the ante to counter China
Tindal airbase upgrade and purchase of long-range anti-ship missiles signals greater leadership role in the region

Message to Beijing, loud and clear.

The friendly folks Down Under are stepping up their military presence in the Indo-Pacific region, and make no mistake, the crosshairs are entirely pointed at the growing power of China, says a special report from Prof. Paul Dibb at Real Clear Defense.

The first action is the announcement by Prime Minister Scott Morrison of a US$1.1 billion upgrade to the Royal Australian Air Force base at Tindal, to lengthen the runway so that US B-52 strategic bombers as well as RAAF KC-30 air-to-air refuelling aircraft can operate from there, writes Dibb, professor of strategic studies at the Australian National University.

It goes without saying, it would also benefit Northrop Grumman’s B-21 Raider long-range strategic stealth bomber, which could enter service in 2025.

The second is the announcement by the US State Department that Australia has been cleared, at a cost of about US$1.4 billion, to purchase 200 AGM-158C long-range ship-killing missiles (LRASM), which can be fired from F/A-18 Super Hornets and F-35s [emphasis added], the report said.

Clearly, the coincidence of these two developments at the same time should not be underestimated by Chinese military analysts.

Morrison described the upgrades to Tindal as being “the sharp end of the spear” for Australian and US air operations in the Indo-Pacific, the report said.

The sharp end indeed.

As ASPI’s Peter Jennings observed, the decision to expand the Tindal airbase is perceived as a giant strategic step forward and could be the basis for a greater leadership role for Australia in the region, the report said...

When the upgrade, including major runway extensions, fuel stockpiles and engineering support, is completed, Tindal will be the most potent military base south of Guam, the report said.

And — for the time being — beyond the reach of Chinese conventional ballistic missiles.

The LRASMs will give Australia a highly capable stand-off anti-ship strike capability with much longer range than before, the report said.

Unclassified sources state that this missile has a range of at least 500-600 kilometres. It can conduct autonomous targeting (moving ships and land targets), relying on on-board targeting systems and data links to acquire the target without GPS [emphasis added].

The missile is also designed with countermeasures to evade active defence systems, and, reportedly can share data to coordinate and attack in a swarm — the future direction of military weapons on all sides.

The actions represent a Herculean boost to Australia’s strike capabilities, following the retirement of the RAAF’s ancient F-111s and the fact that it takes forever for the navy’s diesel-electric Collins-class submarines to transit South Pacific waters, the report said.

For the first time since World War II, a major power is deploying military capabilities which are contesting strategic space in the “inner arc,” stretching from the Indonesian archipelago and Papua New Guinea down to Solomon Islands and Vanuatu.

Meantime, the US is also developing a ground-launched version of the latest Tomahawk maritime strike missile, a boost glide anti-ship missile, a hypersonic cruise missile and potentially a Pershing III anti-ship intermediate-range ballistic missile [emphasis added], the report said.

With ranges of around 1,000 kilometres to more than 3,000 kilometres, these sorts of weapons would enable Australia to strike at targets well into the South China Sea.
https://asiatimes.com/2020/03/australia-ups-the-ante-to-counter-china/

Thank goodness the USAF has no need to ask our gov't to let B-52s operate out of Canada.

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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3683 on: March 25, 2020, 15:16:45 »
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The Dragon Claws Back on COVID-19–and much else
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I would frankly say that the Chicoms are a foreign influence/foreign interference (once known as subversion) threat coming at least to equal that ever posed by the Soviet Union.
https://mark3ds.wordpress.com/2020/03/25/the-dragon-claws-back-on-covid-19-and-much-else/

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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3684 on: March 30, 2020, 16:49:08 »
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COVID-19 and the Dragon’s Foul Breath

Further to this post,

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The Dragon Claws Back on COVID-19–and much else

I’m certain Canada’s current Liberal government will not even consider saying “Boo!” to Xi and the Chicoms (not a bad band name, eh?), what with Beijing’s Canadian hostages Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor much in mind (see here)–along with many other things such as simply being unwilling, in the face of all the evidence, to accept that “constructive engagement” with China is a failed policy. Now consider what’s going on with the Brits:

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China will face ‘a reckoning’ over virus, Britain warns
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https://mark3ds.wordpress.com/2020/03/30/covid-19-and-the-dragons-foul-breath/


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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3685 on: April 10, 2020, 19:21:29 »
One shudders to think what US may soon be saying to us about Huawei/5G:

Rather a barracking as the Brits say.

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Start of a post:

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COVID-19 Help, or, Feds Damn’ Well Better Cut Huawei a Cheque

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COVID-19, or, Chicoms will Chicom, Australia Section

Gary Mason, the Globe and Mail’s national columnist based in Vancouver (tweets here)–no hardline neo-con–does take a hard line on Huawei’s “gift” of medical supplies:

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When it comes to Huawei, there’s no such thing as a free gift
https://mark3ds.wordpress.com/2020/04/10/covid-19-help-or-feds-damn-well-better-cut-huawei-a-cheque/

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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3686 on: April 10, 2020, 20:32:37 »
How nice of them to send us the same medical supplies they secretly horded from Canada, Australia, Europe, and the US.  How unbelievably thoughtful!

I mean, at first I was suspicious.  Not just about EVERYTHING the Chinese have said and done, and their blatant attempts to influence the WHO and UN (Successfully too, mind you.)

When they discreetly directed Chinese owned companies - including smaller companies - to start going around and buying as many medical supplies as possible, and discreetly ship them back to China...it caused me to raise an eyebrow.  And when the Chinese embassies started to accept the packages & ship them back to China themselves as diplomatic parcels, I raised both eyebrows.

But, shame on me.  I must be a racist paranoid.  I'm embarrassed...



If only I had known that Huawei was actually collecting all of that equipment just so they could send everybody care packages in good will, and manipulate our dumb as f**k MP's that China is actually our friend.  And such a good friend indeed! 

And to think, they did that while the CFO of their company languishes away in her $15M mansion in sunny Vancouver...  can't believe how unconditionally giving they are.  Thank You China.  Truly.


^^ This is the ONLY time I've ever wished we had an emoji of a middle finger    :2c:
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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3687 on: April 10, 2020, 21:12:39 »
The Chinese Communist Party is an existential threat to humanity.  Change my mind

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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3688 on: April 10, 2020, 21:16:31 »
The Chinese Communist Party is an existential threat to humanity.  Change my mind

Non-Han humanity?

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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3689 on: April 10, 2020, 21:20:19 »
Non-Han humanity?

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Non-Xi Jinping controlled genocidal state apparatus.  The Chinese people are as much victims of their rulers as anyone else.

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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3690 on: April 10, 2020, 23:59:24 »
I have said a few times if you want to hasten the fall of the CCP, offensive cyber attack, bring down the great firewall, and keep it down for atleast a month. The people will find the truth
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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3691 on: April 11, 2020, 00:18:23 »
There was a time once where the truth mattered and set you free. Not so much these days.

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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3692 on: April 11, 2020, 00:37:17 »
There was a time once where the truth mattered and set you free. Not so much these days.

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In China, it's actually the total opposite.

If your someone of interest - a prominent business person, doctor, scientist, social personality - and you start to tell too much of the truth...you disappear or end up imprisoned. 


More and more, I'm thinking China is very much turning out to be today's version of a pre-1939 Germany. 
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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3693 on: April 11, 2020, 00:51:40 »

In China, it's actually the total opposite.

If your someone of interest - a prominent business person, doctor, scientist, social personality - and you start to tell too much of the truth...you disappear or end up imprisoned. 


More and more, I'm thinking China is very much turning out to be today's version of a pre-1939 Germany.

Tibet can be compared to Austria, the 9 dash line islands are Czechoslovakia, but who will be the easts Poland? Taiwan? Mongolia? Japan? Vietnam?
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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3694 on: April 11, 2020, 16:39:32 »
The Chinese not to be outdone by Russia have their own vessel fire, except on a new one, ouch!!

China's first big-deck amphibious assault ship, a huge vessel that was built in a miraculously short amount of time, caught fire on Saturday, April 11th, 2020. Photos and video showing the ship billowing large clouds of black smoke hit Chinese social media earlier in the day. The warship, which is the first of the new Type 075 class, was resting alongside the pier at its birthplace, Hudong–Zhonghua Shipbuilding in Shanghai, when the blaze broke out.


https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/32980/a-fire-has-broken-out-on-chinas-massive-new-type-075-amphibious-assault-ship?fbclid=IwAR1T_pWp-cE-THyFkO23zt8o-bdJFezYSfVIsrcfpe_jFemcrHCg-cpzynY

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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3695 on: April 11, 2020, 17:49:48 »
Looks pretty extensive judging by the scorching
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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3696 on: April 11, 2020, 19:06:47 »
Couldn't have happened to a nicer navy.....  8)

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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3697 on: April 11, 2020, 22:14:14 »
Couldn't have happened to a nicer navy.....  8)

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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3698 on: April 11, 2020, 22:20:49 »
Maybe someone was sending a message.  ;)

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Re: Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread
« Reply #3699 on: April 13, 2020, 12:12:27 »
Start of wide-ranging post on PRC, COVID-19, note UK at 2):

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COVID-19 and the Curse/Menace of the Chicoms

1) First a piece of which one of the co-authors is Irwin Cotler (justice minister 2003-06 in PM Paul Martin’s Liberal government, tweets here); listen up you Justin Trudeau Liberals:

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Xi Jinping’s China did this

The corrupt, criminal regime wasted 40 days blocking information while it crushed domestic dissent and ensured COVID-19 would become a global pandemic
https://mark3ds.wordpress.com/2020/04/13/covid-19-and-the-curse-menace-of-the-chicoms/

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