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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #50 on: October 11, 2006, 19:49:12 »
Nuke/conventional/earthquake/toilet flushing... whatever it was doesn't really matter anymore because it has now revealed that North Korea (and by extension - Iran) has nothing to fear if it creates a nuclear arsenal.

Now the US designation of Axis of Evil is nothing more than an FYI, and leaves their Iraq policy open to complete repudiation. If Iran were to conduct a test tomorrow, the only consequence would be akin to an embargo on ipods.


The best move for the US is a mass deployment into the area. They don't even have to imply that they will attack North Korea - the US could simply move their forces to Taiwan and perhaps muse loudly about recognizing Taiwan as an independent nation. Then let China make the hard choices.
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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #51 on: October 11, 2006, 19:53:22 »
The US is presently working with the ROK's to restructure the command organization.Essentially the US is going to turn over command of ROK ground force to the ROK's.They will remain under UN/CFC command. We will maintain 1 brigade combat team in country with support units. The 7th Fleet and the Air Force provide assets that the Koreans lack.

The North Koreans can be hurt in several ways. Japan can prevent North Koreans living in Japan from sending money back home. The US can mount an interdiction operation targeting shipping leaving North Korean ports.
Their real achilles heal is China. If China stops sending fuel and food into North Korea then they will either cave or do something crazy like attack the south. We cannot fail to act because of their threats, when we do that they win.

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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #52 on: October 11, 2006, 20:41:02 »
I am seeing what you folks are saying about making a deployment/buildup of troops in SK, but I really don't think that would be a good move at this point because what happens every time the USA puts some boots on the ground in any significant numbers anywhere on the map? - Battle. If the US was to deploy let's say, 50,000 troops to the region ontop of whats there, I think NK would immediately attack the South and try to obliterate whatever land forces would be there, because they would see that as a troop buildup precipitating an invasion/attack. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that might not be a good idea. We DO have to respond, but we shouldn't instigate a retaliatory move if we can avoid it.

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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #53 on: October 12, 2006, 00:15:19 »
Damned if you do, damned if you don't

For Military Action:
- stops threat of North Korea sending a nuke towards Japan/South Korea
- stops threat of NK selling nukes to "highest bidder"
- their technology is currently not advanced enough to utilize the nukes, get them now before its too late
- send the right message to Iran, etc.
- eliminate the need for other Asian countries (as peaceful as they may be) to go nuclear
- NK is already heavily sanctioned and the sanctions mostly hurt the poor, not the people at the top
- bring some democracy to the people of NK (would likely go far better than Iraq)

Against Military Action:
- refugees pour into China and SK
- northern SK will likely take damage from NK
- West's militaries stretched too thin already. 
- Land/Sea attack must be followed by land invasion to prevent NK from taking a chunk out of their neighbours
- China will not like the fall of communism in NK
- will cost many casualties, as NK does have a large army
- will have another country we have to "rebuild"

Really, neither option works. Either you take costly military actions and fuel tensions with China or say to the rest of the world "go ahead, devleop nukes, we'll just give you a slap on the wrist" and allow NK to get their program to a point where we have to say "too late to do anything without them nuking us". I think the best option is to get into tough negotiations backed by sanctions. However, if negotiations fail, it will become a question of "military attack now" vs. "live with a nuclear NK". Wait too long and a military attack will not be an option. 
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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #54 on: October 12, 2006, 09:33:54 »
The good news for us is that the test was a fizzle, which exposes Kim's claims that he has nuclear weapons. If he were confident he had a working device he would have done an above ground test.

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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2006, 10:21:03 »
China? ???


I think we need to keep a couple of key factors in mind:

•   This is more than just a NK vs. USA problem, it is an Asian problem;

•   America does not have sufficient conventional force – even without Iraq – to play a decisive role in Asia, and India is not, yet, ready to bring its potentially considerable power to bear, in any cause – much less to help the US in East Asia;

•   NK is China’s client.

Most important: China has just suffered a huge loss of face.  ’Face’ is hugely important in Asia.  China must have redress for this.  I suspect that the prevailing emotion in the Central Committee is cold fury; I think the Chinese must have invented the maxim: don’t get mad, get even.

The question is: how?

Forget US warships intercepting vessels near to Chinese waters – China is growing its power and influence and sharing it with the UASA would be contrary to China’s vital interests and China, like America, is promoting and protecting its own vital interests.

Forget about any food/fuel sanctions.  The Chinese central government believes that it has the Mandate of the People (as opposed to other dynasties which believed they had the ‘Mandate of Heaven’ – and heaven, Chinese heaven, is a concept which occupies years of study) and the Chinese people are not interested in causing millions more deaths by starvation and exposure amongst the Koreans.

Forget about any significant action by the six or the UNSC.  China needs to solve this problem without outside interference – this is Asia and, according to many, many Chinese, Asia needs to be China’s sphere of influence.  The Chinese actively support President Bush’s resolve to avoid direct, bilateral NK/USA discussions – an ineffective group of six is far, far preferable.

Regime change is the most likely answer,

It is not simple.  China does have leverage, of course, but it tends towards the massive, sledgehammer type of leverage – not what the Chinese want to use.  They do not want to impose any additional hardship on the Koreans; they do not want millions of Korean refugees; they really, really do not want a regional war.  They want a subservient, peaceful, prosperous North Korean client state – even if it is (loosely) tied to South Korea.  The need is to dispose of Kim Jong Il without creating unmanageable turmoil.  Only the NK military can assume power and manage an acceptable, to the Chinese, transition from one dictatorship to another.  The elder Kim, in the ‘50s, structured the NK state and military along Russian/Chinese revolutionary lines – there is no ‘top dog’, no 2I/C as it were; if there were Kim Jong Il would be dead and buried.  The top level’s authority is fragmented and pits any and every one ‘leader’ against all the others.  None of the leaders has his hands on enough ‘levers of power’ to take control of enough of the security apparatus to guarantee a successful coup.  It is a difficult conundrum, especially for the Chinese.

Difficult is not impossible and I suspect that senior Chinese generals are – as I think they have been for years – in close contact with all of the top tier leaders in NK, trying to identify coalitions which can, with Chinese support, seize power, kill Kim, and forge new security ties with China – all without surrendering their nuclear weapons.

The Chinese have little or no interest, that I can see, in making East Asia safer or friendlier for America.  It does have a great interest in preserving the peace in East Asia, especially for South Korea which invests heavily in China.  It does have a huge interest in being seen to have resolved, single-handedly, a significant regional crisis – further marginalizing America, Japan and Russia in the process.  It has a massive interest in restoring its face after NK’s insult.

I suspect that we will see the coup, within about a year – while vengeance is a dish best served cold it cannot be too cold.  Additionally, I suspect that China will stop Kim Jong Il from sharing his technology with some of America’s enemies – but this is a dangerous game because China sees itself as being surrounded, including by dangerous Muslim imperialist radicals in Central Asia.  It will not wish to allow anything which aids the Islamist* cause in West/Central Asia.

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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #56 on: October 12, 2006, 10:26:36 »
I think North Korea is a hollow shell.  Kim's saber rattling is intended, I believe, to keep everyone off balance and to extort more aid from China and the West.  Whether he's over-stepped himself -- only time will tell.

Armies are more than mere numbers.  NK is a humanitarian disaster, getting worse by the day.  The deteriorating situation in the countryside and cities has to have an effect on the military, no matter how draconian the regime.

NK generals may be eating well, but how about the rank-and-file?  If the combat troops are getting adequate rations, what about the mechanics and other technicians needed to keep any military force in motion?  Logistically, how much combat could the NK forces sustain before they ran out of supplies?

It is probably impossible for anyone outside North Korea to imagine the extent of the horror there.  The entire country is slowly becoming a vast, open-air tomb.

Napolean is supposed to have said: "Never forget the enemy marches through the same mud." 

The mud, figuratively speaking, is becoming neck-deep on the NK side. 

In some ways, I hope I'm wrong, but I fear that I am not.

Jim

Jim I think you are bang on, NK is dependent on aid from other countries, the refusal to give aid or trade with them is likely to be the death sentence of the regime. We should turn our backs on them. Meanwhile China should maintain contact with NK's  military in order to convince them that if the Great Leader had an accident, it might be the best thing for the country.

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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #57 on: October 12, 2006, 11:50:44 »
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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #58 on: October 12, 2006, 12:00:22 »
Yes but remember, it was Saddam, not Kim Jong that had the weapons of mass destruction, way to drop the ball Bush, way to drop the ball, If anyone needs me i'll be building my fallout shelter........
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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #59 on: October 12, 2006, 12:07:54 »
South Korea does not pose a threat to China. In fact, as you noted, it invests heavily in Chinese infrastructure. By reuniting the two countries, China is seen as a benefactor that can make things happen when America couldn't. It lessens the American strength in the area and brings the Korea's under the Chinese umbrella if only for trade and regional influence.
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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #60 on: October 12, 2006, 12:51:53 »
... By reuniting the two countries, China is seen as a benefactor that can make things happen when America couldn't. It lessens the American strength in the area and brings the Korea's under the Chinese umbrella if only for trade and regional influence.

Yes, indeed.  But the Chinese are cautious and they observed how much trouble the digestion of East Germany posed for the West German economy.  The social and economic gulfs between NK and SK are, I think, far greater than was the case between EG and WG.  The reconstruction of NK will consume much, maybe too much for China's taste, of SK and Japanese capital.

Money will cost more, something - someone? - will have to give.  The US dollar is a weak reserve currency and it is not clear to me that the US Federal Reserve bank has full control over it so may not be able to 'back-stop' the reunification of Korea circa 2010 as it did the reunification of Germany circa 1990.  The Euro is not ready for prime time and Asia's economy, alone, is not up to the costs of full-scale, à la Germany, reunification of Korea, so: who pays?

The answer is: China.

If reunification is the chosen path then there can be little hope of telling the NK people to “wait a while longer, starve a little more,” etc.  As with Germany, once political integration is in place the people are entitled to share the wealth.

China holds a significant portion of US debt – in essence it props up the US dollar with its own growth.  China needs, desperately needs, continued, high US consumption to finance Chinese expansion.  It does that by, essentially, providing an import subsidy to the US in the form of artificially low prices.  It will, soon, need to divert some of its reserves (US debt) to Korea.  It will want SK and Japanese help – with their hard currencies.  China will need to find new investments to offset SK and Japanese money diverted, for a generation or two, to Korea, because China needs to sustain its own growth – see my conversation with Echo-9 about a week ago.

It gives me a headache, but I still suspect that China will try for some, quite limited, reunification so that it can try to restrain the rate at which NK will consume the available capital.

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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #61 on: October 12, 2006, 12:53:24 »
Yes but remember, it was Saddam, not Kim Jong that had the weapons of mass destruction, way to drop the ball Bush, way to drop the ball, If anyone needs me i'll be building my fallout shelter........



Except for the minor points that Iraq had a active WMD program, that the nuke portion of it was only discovered after his brother –inlaw defected, that they had used WMD’s against their population and their historical enemy Iran. Iraq also got caught building a nuke capable long range rocket that broke the UN resolution on Iraq owning offensive weapons.
 The sanctions were collapsing and Saddam would have started rebuilding his WMD programs in short order, we would then be facing the scenario of a nuke armed Iran and Iraq, both quite likely to use tactical nukes. The last war cost the countries 1.2 million dead.

The only reason that the US hasn’t bombed the crap out of the NK is the fact that NK can destroy most of Seoul in a few hours by conventional artillery and that the US is in no position to fight a 1 million man army holed up in very easily defended terrain on the doorstep of China. A Korean war will make Vietnam, Iraq & Afghanistan combined look like a cakewalk.  

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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #62 on: October 12, 2006, 14:00:44 »
Edward, I think, has the best overall take on the Chinese situation and intentions.  However, China is not in complete control of her own future, much less the future of other Asian countries.  Her burgeoning economy is creating internal problems of political and practical nature.  She has several million surplus young men reaching adulthood in the next few years -- a consequence of one-child per family laws.  Islamist radicals are a worrisome threat, as is the growing power of India.  Then there is Taiwan and increasingly powerful competition from other countries on the Pacific Rim.

As for war with North Korea -- it is unlikely to come to that.  The NK can't 'destroy most of Seoul in a few hours', Colin.  Any artillery strike of that magnitude invites counter-battery fire and the guns are open to air attack, at least when they're in firing position.  I don't mean to say that NK couldn't damage Seoul heavily, but only that such action would be costly to them and take some time.

Like the entire situation, NK effectiveness in attacking SK is an unknown quantity, but bound to be effected by other factors. 

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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #63 on: October 12, 2006, 14:53:31 »
My information is that they have 13,000 guns within range, most are protected and all would have stockpiled ammo and target data. It would takes days to destroy that many guns. Even if they only had 24hrs to fire, and were able to put out an average of 1 rd every 3 minutes, that is still is 6,240,000 rds hitting the city   :o   (crap even I had to check my figures, several times) Even if only half those guns shoot the 24 hrs at that rate it is still 3,000,000 rds!!!

Could they sustain it after the intial attack, highly unlikely, they would shoot till destroyed or out of ammo and I doubt they have the ability to move much resupply even without being attacked.

I also doubt that the combined resources of the US and SK could effectivly dent the intial bombardment in time to prevent huge numbers of causlities. I hope the SK has a functional civil defence plan still.

an article


North Korean guns, clear and present danger to South
By Jon Herskovitz  |  June 27, 2006

SEOUL (Reuters) - If the world is alarmed about a North Korean long-range missile, for most South Koreans it is just one more addition to their neighbor's arsenal which could already devastate around half the population in a few hours.

Seoul, Tokyo and Washington have all warned Pyongyang not to test-fire a long-range missile, which has apparently been prepared for launch, saying it would imperil regional security and bring a harsh response.

The first time North Korea tried out a long-range missile -- in 1998, firing it over Japan -- it sent panicked regional financial markets into a tailspin.

But for South Korea, a more immediate danger may be North Korea's artillery.

The capital Seoul, only 60 km (37 miles) south of the heavily fortified Demilitarized Zone that has divided the peninsula since the end of the Korean War in 1953, has long been within range of one of the world's most powerful artillery batteries.

South Korea's Defense Ministry said the North had amassed more than 13,000 pieces of artillery and multiple rocket launchers, much of it aimed at Seoul.

Jane's International Defense Review estimates that if North Korea launched an all-out barrage, it could achieve an initial fire rate of 300,000 to 500,000 shells per hour into the Seoul area -- home to about half the country's 48.5 million people.

The biggest are 170-mm self-propelled artillery guns and 240-mm multiple rocket launchers. It also has hundreds of Scud missiles that could hit any part of South Korea.

North Korea is also thought to have been working to attach chemical and biological weapons to its long-range artillery.

"The threat from the North's artillery is the indiscriminate firing against our capital region and urban centers with its multiple rocket launchers and field artillery," a South Korean defense officer said.

Military experts note that South Korean and U.S. forces have worked for decades to perfect a counter strike. They also say that impoverished North Korea probably has not kept all of its guns in working order and may be short of shells.

But as a relatively basic weapons system, a rain of artillery would be the North's most effective and reliable way to hit the South fast and hard, they add.

Ordinary South Koreans appear to have become largely used to the threat, paying decreasing attention over the years to regular civil defense drills that were once mandatory.

The two Koreas are technically still at war because the 1950-1953 Korean War ended in a truce and not a peace treaty.

Though the North keeps most of its 1.2-million-man army near the border, the two Koreas have reached agreements in recent years aimed at reducing military tensions.

Japan, South Korea and the United States, along with China and Russia, have been locked in three years of now-stalled negotiations talks to dismantle North Korea's nuclear program.

Officials and military analysts say Pyongyang wants to develop a long-range missile to be able to carry a nuclear warhead.

But according to a recent survey by a state-funded research group, South Koreans view China -- and not North Korea -- as the biggest threat to their security 10 years from now.

(With additional reporting by Jack Kim)

http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2006/06/27/north_korean_guns_clear_and_present_danger_to_south?mode=PF

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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #64 on: October 12, 2006, 14:56:00 »
Finally, a use for all those greenbacks the Chinese are holding: renovating NK.
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« Reply #65 on: October 12, 2006, 15:26:42 »
Ha-ha!  Okay.  Whatever.  I think the article is cherry-picking information designed to make the NK army seem more than they are.  Let's try to be realistic. 

I don't doubt that NK has 10-13,000 artillery pieces.  I do doubt that even a majority of these are capable of hitting Seoul from 37+ miles.  In fact, the 170mm gun is the only one known to be able to reach that far.  The guns couldn't be packed in layers right at the DMZ.  They have to be spread out somewhat in bunkers and protected caves, etc.  The article seems to assume that every artillery piece in the NK army will be arranged on the DMZ with much of it concentrated on Seoul.  From a practical military standpoint, I find that to be ludicrous. 

According to Global Security, which presents its information with plenty of caveats, the NK have around 8,000 artillery pieces (about 4500 SP and 3500 towed), plus about 3500 artillery rockets.  South Korean sources estimate that the NK have 400-500 long-range artillery pieces within range of Seoul.  Given realistic firing rates, these could sustain a rate of around 5,000 rounds per minute until their ready ammunition was expended.  Since weapon attrition would begin immediately and no one can sustain those rates of fire for very long, added to the difficulties inherent in hitting a specific target at extreme range, the damage to Seoul within the first few hours would be tremendous, but the city would not be 'wiped out.'  After the first few rounds any fire direction signals would be jammed and all subsequent rounds would be area-targeted.

Cities are hard to kill.  If the NK struck without warning, civilian casualties would be heavy and initial targets highly likely to be put out of action.  After that, though, artillery effectiveness would degenerate to a crap shoot.  A lethal situation for anyone in the wrong place at the wrong time, but not militarily effective.

Hell.  I didn't intend to kick off a discussion.  Suffice it to say that the variation between the possible and the probable is very great in this situation, just as it is in most military scenarios.

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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #66 on: October 12, 2006, 15:49:09 »
Well, if Kim whatcha-ma-call-him wants to see actions like naval blockades as an act of war.. what should the detonation of a nuclear device be taken as? If he is that eager to get in a scuffle Western countries and Japan should take THAT as an act of war. Saddam thought that his 4 000 tanks and million men would be a massive war.... 4 days and he was done... Kim has mostly MiG-17's and 21's and rag-tag equipment.
 Fifty bucks says NK loses.

More seriously though, North and South Korea have been scratching their trigger fingers for decades.. no doubt that it will eventually happen, so it would be quicker and safer to have it happen sooner rather than later when they actually know HOW to use the nukes. If they take is as a declaration of war to put up naval blockades, thats their problem, soon afterwards the people will have food and can be with relatives in SK.
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Re: North Korea (Superthread)
« Reply #67 on: October 12, 2006, 16:01:40 »
The reality is that anyone who does know what the real situation is, will not/can not release that information, we have to operate on best guesses. The NK army will have a short window to inflict as much damge as possible. I do agree that they lack the ability to fight sustanied operation and will be destroyed in place, but not before they carry out their main task.

Using your figures, 5,000 rds per minute hitting the city and immediate areas, that's 300,000 rds in one hour. If they were so bold to launch an attack in afternoon rush hour with no warning, the number of dead and wounded would overwhelm the civil defence units. I don't think we in the west have seen that amount of artillery fired since WWII and have little first hand comprehension of it's effect. All of the bombardments we have seen recently have been by our own allies and generally designed to minimize damage beyond the immediate target. The bombardment would be all over the place and continuous for quite some time, it would cause a great deal of destruction, secondary fires, panic and collapse of the functioning infrastructure, once the initial bombardment is over, the population will be in a hurry to get out of range and out of the way of a possible ground invasion, the city will grind to halt and be effectively destroyed for some time, certainly until the threat is clearly dealt with. Look at how long it is taking for New Orleans to rebound. If the attack is not follwed up with an invasion by either side, and the border remains the same, peoples confidence will be shaken and reluctant to return. this will have a effect on the economy of SK and it's Asian partners. Even if the artillery is mostly destroyed, it will take a great deal of time to restore the confidence and the damage done.

You can be sure that the possible effect is not lost on the SK government.

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« Reply #68 on: October 12, 2006, 16:12:16 »
I agree with what Colin P said.. the only thing that I see that is wrong with that is the fact that the US keeps 30 000 troops on the border to deter any such attacks. The bulk of the SK military is also very near the DMZ.
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« Reply #69 on: October 12, 2006, 16:22:12 »
midget - if you read some of Tomahawk 6s posts, you'll note that the US' troop strength in SK is down from those heddy days....

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« Reply #70 on: October 12, 2006, 16:29:28 »
I'm under the impression that there was a major drawdown citing the peace dividend, and then another smaller one as Iraq ramped up. I have no clue what the US has there now that is effective immediately. I am sure the NK's know though.

There was a piece a year or so ago, maybe longer, that even had pics of how extensively tunneled  the DMZ was. The tunnels were big enough to allow three tanks side by side to egress. Guess what that does for the guys between the exit points and the DMZ.
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« Reply #71 on: October 12, 2006, 16:36:25 »
Colin, I think you and I are on the same page.  I think the NK would be lucky to keep up that rate of fire for more than thirty minutes, but even area targeting at a far reduced rate will cause a lot of damage.  I think SK civil defense abilities are a lot better than average, but they would certainly be overwhelmed by the casualties.

midget -- the US troop presence is much reduced, as geo points out.  However, their presence near the DMZ is actually a liability, due to the fact that their bases are all within easy artillery range of the North.  At present, the troops are being shifted south, out of harm's way.  Someone finally realized that major formations of US (and ROK) troops are a better deterrent if they're situated out of artillery range.

geo -- peace dividend.  Yeah.  Kind of leaves a bad taste, don't it?

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« Reply #72 on: October 12, 2006, 18:03:57 »
I think they were placed up front during the cold war to act as a "tripwire", so the Soviets and Chinese knew that any invasion of SK would be a direct attack on US Forces and escalate the conflict immediately. The advantage of this deployment does not outweigh the disadvantages and the actually withdrawal was hampered by acquiring land to build the new bases.

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« Reply #73 on: October 12, 2006, 18:19:10 »
The new main base, according to Army Times, houses both US Army and associated ROK command elements.  The move has cost a lot of money and, again according to AT, isn't completed yet.

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« Reply #74 on: October 12, 2006, 19:42:03 »
Its true that the North Koreans have significant forces close to the DMZ, but so does the ROK Army. Global security has what is generally believed to be the OPLAN for combat operations in Korea.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/oplan-5027.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/rok/army.htm

Here is the current strength of 8th Army in Korea. If you look at the US Forces Korea site you will see assigned units from other services.

http://8tharmy.korea.army.mil/

The Units:
2nd Infantry Division

1st Heavy Brigade Combat Team
Task Force, 1-72 Armor Regiment
1st Battalion, 15th Field Artillery
2nd Battalion, 9th Infantry (M)
302nd Brigade Support Battalion
1st Brigade Special Troops Battalion

Combat Aviation Brigade
1st Battalion, 2nd Attack Battalion
602nd Aviation Support Battalion
2nd Battalion (Assault), 2nd Aviation Regiment
2-52nd Aviation Regiment (GSAB)
3rd Squadron, 6th U.S. Cavalry Regiment             
164th Air Traffic Services Group

2nd Fires Brigade
1st Battalion, 38th Field Artillery
6th Battalion, 37th Field Artillery
702d Brigade Support Battalion

7th Air Force
8th Fighter Wing
51st Fighter Wing