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Yes.

...yes to which? It was an either/or question?
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Yes to the correct answer.  ;)
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Yes to the correct answer.  ;)

 :facepalm: OF COURSE, how could I have been so stupid!

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dapaterson is right!

However, to clarify, when attach posted to an operation (you don't get posted to operations), then your PLD remains intact for your family back home.

When they changed PLD about ten years ago (i.e. removing Ottawa from the PLD), those folks who were in Ottawa at the time kept it (actually it's called TPLD, but those details are not important), but those newly posted in did not get it.  I was attaché posted to a mission after that point and kept my (T)PLD for the duration.  I did not lose my (T)PLD until I was actually posted out of Ottawa.  When I returned I did not get it again.
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Good day,

I was just deployed on a named Operation for a period of 8 days, 6 of those on the ground at location. Even though we are talking about a small sum of money  (~150$) is that tax free or is there a minimum of days to be outside the country?

Thanks.

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Good day,

I was just deployed on a named Operation for a period of 8 days, 6 of those on the ground at location. Even though we are talking about a small sum of money  (~150$) is that tax free or is there a minimum of days to be outside the country?

Thanks.

Are you Attach Posted or on Temporary Duty?  If on TD, the answer is no.
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It was TD, we re deployed the camp back to Canada to end the OP

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I have a pay question. I’ll try to be brief.

-Was ResF (not spec) CT/OT to AESOP at IPC4

-Completed QL5 @ 402 and was posted.

Glitch in the pay system didn’t allow them to give me spec pay. In the meantime WngOR is going to manually pay 80% of back pay owed (almost 12mo) and 80% of current spec going forward until Pay in Ottawa sorts this glitch.

Problem is, when WngOR is calculating my rate they’re saying when I switch to Spec I’m going to IPC2 based off of the CBI’s. Qualifying service only counts as time in trade (feb 2016-present). Even though at the standard pay rate I was IPC 4. I’ve shown the OR the message that came out Jun17 stating all VOT will maintain IPC....however they said I don’t fall under VOT. Specific section of the CBI herethat they are citing for reference. I haven’t been able to find anyone else who transferred from ResF-RegF who lost IPC...though they didn’t have any glitches with pay when switching to spec to begin with. I feel the OR interpretation of the CBI is wrong. Otherwise a bunch of people are going to owe money. I’d like to get some thoughts/fodder that I can bring to my OR to fix this.


204.03(5) (Rate of pay - occupational career progression) A non-commissioned member who progresses in their occupational career shall be paid the rate of pay established in the senior Military Occupational Structure Identification (MOSID) in a specialist occupation, for the pay increment and qualifying service for their rank pertaining to the sum of:

the pay increment for their rank in the higher trade group that is nearest to, but not less than, the rate of pay the member was receiving on the day immediately prior to meeting the conditions the senior MOSID; and
the qualifying service accumulated in the junior MOSID of the same occupation for the member’s present rank, including any acting rank,
(TB 1 June 2017, effective 1 September 2017)

but not to exceed the rate of pay for the highest pay increment in their new trade group.

204.03(6) (Rate of pay - voluntary occupational transfer) An officer or non-commissioned member who voluntarily transfers to a military occupation, under such conditions as established in orders or instructions issued by the Chief of the Defence Staff, shall be paid the rate of pay established for the member's rank, pay level, new trade group, if applicable, and pay increment determined in accordance with CBI 204.015 (Pay Increments). Once a member achieves occupational qualified status, their rate of pay shall be determined in accordance with paragraph (5) of this instruction.

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your ETP should specify you trade, rank and IPC on enrolment into the Reg F.  If your ETP reflects you were enrolled as AESOP then they are correct and it is not a VOT.

What you may be missing in our wonderful system is that a CT is actually a release from the component you are in and then an enrolment into the component you are joining.  In your case you were released from the reserves and then enrolled into the regular force as an AESOP thus no VOT.

Crappy system that I wish they would hurry up and fix so we could process as a real CT. 

“non-commissioned officer (NCO)” means a member holding the rank of sergeant or corporal.

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Re: Pay rates
« Reply #934 on: September 25, 2018, 18:52:21 »
I suspect these questions have been answered somewhere, but I haven’t found them yet.  I am trying to decipher the CF pay scale.  In itself, it seems simple.  However, it does leave some unanswered questions.

I am re-enlisting.  It has been awhile and I don’t remember how some of this works.  Also, I suspect I may not have asked these questions before because I didn’t progress beyond Corporal and some of this didn’t apply.  My PLAR has been completed and they are offering recruit school bypass. 

My questions are:

1) Is the Private Basic pay only for recruits in Basic Training, or is for the trade training as well?  Or is it for the first full year?

2) How much is Private Basic pay?  It’s not on the pay scale.

3) Why does the pay scale only go to Private 3, when it normally takes 4 years to become a Corporal?

4) Why is Master Corporal Basic pay less then Corporal 3 or 4?  (I’m assuming that 5B Corporal is Master Corporal)

5) When promoted, does one normally start at _____ Basic? or perhaps they would start at a higher pay level based on their prior pay level?

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1. During Basic Trg you receive Pte Recruit pay.  Upon completion you move to Pte Basic (unless things have changed since I went through many years ago)
2. No idea.  Can't help here.
3. Recruit + Basic for first year, incentive 1, 2 and 3 annually equals 4 years
4. When appointed to MCpl, you go lateral.  EG Cpl 3 goes to MCpl 3
5. You start at basic and work your way up annually
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Private pay is the same whether you are Pte(R), Pte(B) or Pte(T) ... these are only used to differentiate between a new recruit, someone who as complete some BMQ-C or BMQ-L and, someone who has complete BMQ-C, BMQ-L and, their appropriate trades course.
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2. - 2995 (Reg F)  All ptes start as Pte 1 IPC 1 upon enrolment.

Master Corporal is an appointment thus you keep the IPC.

The are offering recruit school bypass on your plar which has to do with your quals so I am guessing you have been out over 5 years.  What rank and IPC have they offered though?
“non-commissioned officer (NCO)” means a member holding the rank of sergeant or corporal.

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Thanks.  That makes sense with MCPL and other promotions. 

I’m still unclear as to what level of private pay I will receive.  Normally when does a new recruit move from basic to level 1?  Is it right after BMQ?

My PLAR only offered recruit school bypass.  Yes I have been out for awhile, so I’m very glad for that.  No rank offered.  I will have to do 4 years as a Private.  And can hope to get it in 3.

This will be a different and new trade for me. So it makes sense that I need to spend time learning the basics.  But at the same time, I’ll take anything they offer.

IPC?  Not sure what that is.

From what I have been told, I get 25 days yearly vacation right away and can buy back my pension time.

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Question for the Guardian SME:

A junior CAF member commissioned through Special Commissioning Program from a trade with spec 1 pay.
When he was an OCdt, his pay was the same as his last pay as a Cpl before the switch over.
He got his commission, and was subsequently promoted to 2Lt.
His new rank is reflected on his MPRR/MM.
However, his latest pay statement still states that he is an OCdt, and is still being paid at his final Cpl rate.
The OR tried updating his pay info on Guardian, but all they got back are rejection messages from Guardian. ???

Surprisingly, another junior CAF commissioned through SCP at the same time, though not from a trade with spec pay, and was promoted to 2Lt. But he has no problem getting his pay adjusted.
 
Does Guardian not take into account situations where a trade may have spec pay? 


Thank you in advance for your response.

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I am thinking of joining, I would like to work with my hands as I currently work as a Financial Analyst (desk job). I just want to know if my needs will be met, as in being able to purchase a house with a military salary?

Anyone able to shed some light?

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The pay scales are all online, so you can see up front what your gross salary will be. The CAF pays well enough to afford a house in most areas. The rest depends on your credit, your down payment and how you're able to live within a budget. You're not buying a million dollar mansion, but you can live comfortably and leave the CAF with quite a bit of equity built up. We also have access to financial counselling/planning at approx $5 a month for NCMs (no idea what the officer rate is) through SISIP. They can assist with budgeting as they understand how the CAF pay and allowances work.

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« Reply #943 on: August 29, 2019, 23:55:31 »
Hi, it was announced over a month ago that members who.sailed on missions that lost one of the allowances were in fact entitled to it and those members would be compensated for it. Has anything come from up top in terms of expected day of payment? Sum ? Who to contact?

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