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Air Weapons System Technician (AWS TECH)
« on: February 17, 2011, 19:01:30 »
Ive searched but found very little info about this trade
Does it offer specialist pay?
Do they just install the weapons on the aircraft or are they the complete weapons team for the airforce and install and test the weapons.
Is it a trade that is in demand or should i just become a AVN Tech or AVS Tech

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Re: Air Weapons Systems Tech?
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2011, 19:04:53 »
Ive searched but found very little info about this trade

That's because it doesn't exist.

I stand corrected.  When did they sneak that one in?

http://www.forces.ca/en/job/airweaponssystemstechnician-166#info-1

I thought Air Weapons went the way of the dodo...
« Last Edit: February 17, 2011, 19:09:46 by Occam »

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Re: Air Weapons Systems Tech?
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2011, 19:05:51 »
Pretty much what you asked here

Be patient when waiting for replies to your question(s).  Posting (basically) the same thing again, isn't going to get more people to reply.
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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2011, 19:17:59 »
Do they just install the weapons on the aircraft

No. They not only load the weapons on the aircrafts but also maintain those weapons and assemble them for use. Thye also take care of disposing on time expired and defective  munitions and other air weapons related equipment.

I'm not sure what you are asking by "test the weapons".

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Re: Air Weapons Systems Tech?
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2011, 19:23:07 »
According to TABLE A TO CBI 204.30 - ALLOCATION OF MOSID TO SPECIALIST TRADE GROUPS, it is not in the specialist trade groups.

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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2011, 19:27:33 »
According to TABLE A TO CBI 204.30 - ALLOCATION OF MOSID TO SPECIALIST TRADE GROUPS, it is not in the specialist trade groups.

Looks like that CBI table is from 2004......before the standup of AWS tech.

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Re: Air Weapons Systems Tech?
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2011, 19:34:01 »
A recuiter just told me they are offerd spec 1 pay    Also do AWS techs just work on CF-18s

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Re: Air Weapons Systems Tech?
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2011, 19:38:36 »
AWS Tech is a spec trade, and is being brough back from the dead because it is quite specialized.  AVN Techs on the CF-18 (the primary kill-store fleet in the CF) are split up into three streams - AVN "A" (Propulsion Systems), AVN "B" (Airframe), and AVN "C" (AWS/Life Support/Safety Systems).

AVN "A" and AVN "B" cross-train with each other to some extent at the flying squadrons, but the AVN "C" technicians do not due to the specialized nature of their work.  It was decided in the Air Occupation Enhancement that Air Weapons and Life Support/Safety systems will split off from the AVN trade, with the latter portions being absorbed by the ACS trade.

That leaves AWS Technicians on their own, which actually makes some sense.  The nature of the work the "Armourers" do is not very similar to the work the AVN "A" and "B"s do, the only real similarity is that they work on the aircraft.
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Re: Air Weapons Systems Tech?
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2011, 19:40:35 »
   Also do AWS techs just work on CF-18s

No.  They also work on the CP-140 and other aircraft that carry stores, and they also man all the Air Force munitions depots (bomb dumps).  There are also a few Explosive Ordinance Disposal (EOD) units in the AF that are manned by these personnel.
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Re: Air Weapons Systems Tech?
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2011, 19:45:26 »
So all they basically do is load unload maintain and test the aircrafts weapons    AVN or AESop seems alot more fun if thats all they do

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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2011, 19:50:10 »
So all they basically do is load unload maintain and test the aircrafts weapons    AVN or AESop seems alot more fun if thats all they do

What is it that you expected AWS techs to be doing then ??

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Re: Air Weapons Systems Tech?
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2011, 19:52:35 »
I thoughted they would also install the weapons electrical systems and things like that

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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2011, 19:53:44 »
I thoughted they would also install the weapons electrical systems and things like that

What ?

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Re: Air Weapons Systems Tech?
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2011, 19:56:46 »
Sorry just had my wisdom teeth taken out and the painkillers screw me over.  I meant i thought that AWS techs also do electrical weapon systems within the aircraft.

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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2011, 19:58:07 »
Sorry just had my wisdom teeth taken out and the painkillers screw me over.  I meant i thought that AWS techs also do electrical weapon systems within the aircraft.

Sorry about the teeth and my endless questions but what do you mean by "electrical weapons systems" ?

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« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2011, 20:00:33 »
I mean like they would work on all the electrical systems on the aircraft that have something to do with weapons

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Re: Air Weapons Systems Tech?
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2011, 20:04:41 »
I mean like they would work on all the electrical systems on the aircraft that have something to do with weapons

They do.  From the Recruiting Website: "The AWS TECH is responsible for the maintenance of aircraft air weapons systems from storage to target including all mechanical and electronic components.".  That means the systems on the aircraft in addition to the weapons themselves.

Mods - could we move this thread to the Maintainer's Bench, AWST isn't an Aircrew Occ...

Thanks.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2011, 20:09:52 by Griffon »
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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2011, 20:13:55 »
To add to what Griffon said above, aircraft are maintaned as a team and there are almost always areas of overlap between the different maintenance specialities. Nothing works in isolation in complex aircraft.

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Re: Air Weapons Systems Tech?
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2011, 01:27:04 »
So even though AWS techs do aircraft weapons they also along with AVNs AVCs and AVSs preform simple duties like towing and refueling aircraft?

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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2011, 09:52:20 »
So even though AWS techs do aircraft weapons they also along with AVNs AVCs and AVSs preform simple duties like towing and refueling aircraft?

I cant speak to that, not being a technician myself and i imagine that it would depend on the aircraft fleet being worked on. What i meant is that, for example, theres an electrical snag with part of the weapon system, sometimes it will take a weapons guy and an avionics guy to sort it out.

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Re: Air Weapons Systems Tech?
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2011, 10:16:29 »
So even though AWS techs do aircraft weapons they also along with AVNs AVCs and AVSs preform simple duties like towing and refueling aircraft?

I can only speak to the CF-18 fleet, where they are qualified to carry out aircraft servicing tasks such as towing, refuelling, before and after flight checks, etc.  But they are not usually tasked to carry out these functions as they are usually busy doing such things as weapons convoys while the aircraft are being checked and towed out in the morning. When the checks are done they will carry out the loads on the aircraft while the servicing crews finish off paperwork and other work in preparation for the upcoming launch.  It's all fairly choreographed in that there are a lot of concurrent activities going on at the squadron to ensure maximum efficiency, which usually means the AWS techs don't do a lot of servicing.
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Re: Air Weapons Systems Tech?
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2011, 19:05:18 »
In the website it mentioned that
"They will also be called upon to perform some duties in airborne aircraft."
Does it mean it will be operating weapons?

Also, What is Aircraft Maintenance Superintendent (AM Sup)?

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Re: Air Weapons Systems Tech?
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2011, 19:07:03 »

Does it mean it will be operating weapons?

No.

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Also, What is Aircraft Maintenance Superintendent (AM Sup)?

A WO or above in charge of supervising maintenance operations.

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Re: Air Weapons Systems Tech?
« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2011, 21:49:07 »
No.

What is the AWS tech's duty when airborne ?

What kind of aircraft do they get on?

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Re: Air Weapons Systems Tech?
« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2011, 21:56:31 »
What is the AWS tech's duty when airborne ?


As far as i know, they only go flying when it is required to troubleshoot problems. They are not crewmembers that operate weapons, thats what aircrews do.