Jarnhamar
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In a few years? No.
He's damaged goods. The CPC will need an all-star celebrity to challenge Carney.
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He's damaged goods. The CPC will need an all-star celebrity to challenge Carney.
That’s similar to my opinion. He blew the best chance he was ever going to get; he was not the man for the moment either locally or nationally. He’s served honourably in Parliament and I guess will continue to do so. I respect that. He does not appear to be what Canadians want as a PM.
I don’t think the CPC need an ‘all-star celebrity’ to challenge Carney. I think they need someone very accomplished, competent, and credible in some key part of governing a country, running an economy, or engaging in diplomacy. Someone with a really solid CV. That can absolutely come from within Parliament, but will probably require a candidate to have done some meaningful work outside of Parliament too. Poilievre falls painfully short there.
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I don't know guys, if I listen to the opinions of the plebes on Twitter and of the more enlightened/informed people on here, we are in for 2+ years of the continuing deterioration and further destruction of our country.and our economy. It will happen by the continued over spending on both social programs and the federal public service, by making our oil so expensive no one wants to buy it, by the stifling of any new investments or energy infrastructure, by the continued erosion of our fundamental right and freedoms including free speech, by the continued collapse of our cities thru the influx of dangerous criminals and drug addicted homeless people, of and by the continued erosion of our image in the international realm.
I guess we'll wait and see, but if even a portion of all that Carney is predicted to do (by the above mentioned) comes to pass, then just about anyone the CPC puts forward should be able to best Carney.
I guess we'll wait and see, but if even a portion of all that Carney is predicted to do (by the above mentioned) comes to pass, then just about anyone the CPC puts forward should be able to best Carney.
Oil prices are a legitimate concern, but from the other side of the table… OPEC’s increasing production and declining to prop prices up by restricting it. That’s not good news for Western Canadian Select which is more expensive to produce. Fortunately some refineries are set up only for WCS and cannot reasonably substitute, but prices will still decline somewhat.
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Alberta NDP start to distance them selves from their federal counterpart. Likely to distance smthem selves from federal NDP policies and their leader.
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or Carney will be revealed as the Emperor with no clothes in the same manner as Trudeau. With his history since January do you really think he can go 4 years without being caught out again and again and again as a liar.
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Many of his "lies" have been ore half truths or people reading between lines and declaring it's a lie. Yet the same people calling out Carneys lies were eating up every half truth or misinformation the CPC said about it self.
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I actually meant that honestly, not as a sarcastic dig.
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Case in point...
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Trump is not the only big issue facing Carney. Trudeau didn't exactly leave him a great legacy...
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It’s not just Trump: 7 foreign policy issues Mark Carney faces - National | Globalnews.ca
Prime Minister Mark Carney has many foreign policy issues on his plate — and they're not all about United Statess President Donald Trump.
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I'm not sure the CPC need celebrity. But I think PP needs to step back and let someone else run with the ball.
PP did 2 things I like, he got rid of JT and I'm not paying carbon tax anymore. Maybe that was his purpose.
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I am pretty sure Chrystia Freeland did the first and Mark Carney the second.
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Sure. But it was PPs constant beating on those drums that pushed it all over the edge.
Agreed. And that was also his undoing. He did an excellent job with both and framing them a certain way.
PP’s timing was good in that he knew the gvt was at its best before date after 10 years.
Freeland was merely the catalyst. There was already resentment in caucus. That just tipped it over.
The carbon tax was unpopular.
Carney took a pragmatic approach and just took the wind out of PPs sails by dropping it.
With Trudeau gone (due to circumstance and event) and the tax (a deliberate decision by Carney) PP didn’t have much else.
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I don't disagree with you at all. He really struggled after JT and the CT left the picture.
I also think he should do the honorable thing and step back. The party is strong, stronger than after the last election. Let someone else be the closer. Rona Ambrose please come back!
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I've made no effort to hide my disdain for for the direction Poilievre and Byrne took the party, and am now vindicated in pointing out the potential shortfalls. I would love a CPC lead by Ambrose, that being said: I think it's in the best interests of the CPC to rally behind Pierre Poilievre IF (IF IF IF) he commits to the growth needed to close the gap and make the next step.
Reason 1- despite the embarrassing choke job, the gains in popular vote, seat count, fundraising, etc etc etc are all very real, and all very impressive. He did in fact grow the party and it's standing. If I liked him as a leader- I would be voting and lobbying for him to get a second chance to apply some lessons learned and grow from the loss- that principle should hold.
Reason 2- if he wants to stay on- A. I don't think there's the horses to unseat him in the Party, and B- if there is, the fight to depose him will be a nasty, hard fought affair that will fracture the party and force him to lean in on the very behaviours and messages that cost him the election. That's not good for the country.
The IF is in his court. He needs to grow up, ditch Byrne, and find a way to thread the needle that keeps his base while both un-alienating the moderates he chased away and unmotivating / un-uniting the left against him. No more school yard names, no more manufactured character assassination- craft a vision for the nation, based on the detailed merits it holds. Edited add: Spend less of his warchest trying to define a reality that is favourable to him, and more of communicating how he will shape a reality that is beneficial to Canadians.
Opinion: The good and unnecessarily bad of Pierre Poilievre
The Conservative Leader keeps picking fights that don’t need to be fought, and that came through in Monday’s election result
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Opinion: If Poilievre is genuinely humbled, the Conservatives should keep him around
The Conservative Leader doesn’t need to become Liberal-lite. He just needs to cut the crap
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Jarnhamar
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When Trudeau was voted in there was a lot of fanfare over it. Trudeaumania. Here's a guy who thought it was wonderful to brag to other world leaders about his socks because his base made him feel like an icon.
I think voters only turned away from Trudeau when it collectively became embarrassing to support him and his brand. Not because of any economical metrics.
Carney is promising even bigger spending and much bolder projects with no experience in the political realm, and Canadians are buying into it.
He's not going to lose votes because of scandals, quality of life dropping, or house hold debt increasing. He's only going to lose votes when associating with his brand becomes embarrassing. To compete with that the Conservatives will need to run someone who Liberal minded voters will want to brag about supporting as a celebrity-style Candidiate. Not someone who's got a good CV.
Might be that after a decade of Trudeau and in light of world events, Liberals, or those who may at times vote that way, may not look at this the same way they did back then?
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I think you're misreading it- Trudeau and his brand became toxic because of the legitimate scandals (not the flyshit from pepper ones), because of QoL dropping, because of housing prices. He (rightfully) wore and became the face of the difficulty of the times.
Carney's CV gives him a reprieve from that negative sentiment, based on the promise that a competent financial mind can make things better. If he doesn't- he will wear the difficulty of the times as well. If he doesn't, the CPC need to be running an alternative that isn't so viscerally unlikeable as to create an unprecedented strategic vote against him/her. Maybe that will be a version of Poilievre that comes out of this loss a better prospective leader.
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