Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Halifax Tar]

Oh I know. I just enjoy the tortured rationalizing of people who think that Alberta would have the unilateral right to secede from Canada, but that FNs with pre-existing treaties wouldn’t be just as free to decline to bring their people or lands along with them.

Provinces do have the ability to leave. It's just not as simple as holding a vote and leaving.

You can't have a truly free society without providing an off ramp. It sounds counterintuitive, but we're supposed govern and managed the country in a way that doesn't promote secessionist movements, and the fact we now have another one shows we need better governance and management.

The same people who say that Canadian law is just made up, and that separatism could disregard it, don’t usually have an answer for the dependence big business has on the stable and predictable rule of law. Capital isn’t going to flock to develop expensive heavy oil in a legally and politically unstable jurisdiction.

Any societal structure be it Military, Gov or Big Business is all just a social construct that depends on the people within in and their willingness to abide by rules agreed upon en masse.

It's interesting when Que was going through a referendum I remember an outpouring of My Canada includes Que ect ect for some reason Alberta seems to be getting the opposite response and they haven't even decided to hold a referendum or not yet.

Does Canada actually want Alberta? Have we reached a point where Canada is now just a loosely linked confederation of regions with no real attachment to each other ? What exactly is Canada now ? These are questions I am pondering, I don't have answers.

I don't envy Mark Carney. He picked a hell of time to be PM.

 

[brihard]

Provinces do have the ability to leave. It's just not as simple as holding a vote and leaving.

You can't have a truly free society without providing an off ramp. It sounds counterintuitive, but we're supposed govern and managed the country in a way that doesn't promote secessionist movements, and the fact we now have another one shows we need better governance and management.



Any societal structure be it Military, Gov or Big Business is all just a social construct that depends on the people within in and their willingness to abide by rules agreed upon en masse.

It's interesting when Que was going through a referendum I remember an outpouring of My Canada includes Que ect ect for some reason Alberta seems to be getting the opposite response and they haven't even decided to hold a referendum or not yet.

Does Canada actually want Alberta? Have we reached a point where Canada is now just a loosely linked confederation of regions with no real attachment to each other ? What exactly is Canada now ? These are questions I am pondering, I don't have answers.

I don't envy Mark Carney. He picked a hell of time to be PM.

I think most Canadians with a brain want Alberta to be a part of the country. I think most Albertans do too.

It’s easy to forget that the Quebec referenda were a couple generations ago now. If they got back to seriously making those noises, most of us would probably give them the same eye roll we give Alberta separatists.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I think most Canadians with a brain want Alberta to be a part of the country. I think most Albertans do too.

Then a referendum should nicely put this to sleep. And perhaps afterword's we can mend the confederation to be more representative of regions outside of Ont and Que.

 

[Jarnhamar]

our sovereignty is actively being threatened by one of the superpowers and it's not China.

Isn’t it, though?

There's 10 things made in China within 10 feet of you right now.

We're pushing to ban gas powered vehicle sales in the next years, how dependent on China will that make us?

We're not worried about China rolling over the Rockeys in Type 99 tanks but they set up police stations in our cities, harass and intimidate our citizens, and we even have members of parliament comfortable enough to make jokes about handing Canadian citizens over to their regime.

China is atleast as much as threat to our sovereignty as the US. More IMO.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Isn’t it, though?

There's 10 things made in China within 10 feet of you right now.

We're pushing to ban gas powered vehicle sales in the next years, how dependent on China will that make us?

We're not worried about China rolling over the Rockeys in Type 99 tanks but there set up police stations in our cities, harass and intimidate our citizens, and we even have members of parliament comfortable enough to make jokes about handing Canadian citizens over to their regime.

China is atleast as much as threat to our sovereignty as the US. More IMO.

Agreed.

 

[dapaterson]

I remember learning that I must be ethnic, because I didn't have money.

 

[The Bread Guy]

There's 10 things made in China within 10 feet of you right now.

Convince enough people to pay more to Buy Canadian, and that can change. How quick and how easy? Not so much on either front I suspect.

We're pushing to ban gas powered vehicle sales in the next years, how dependent on China will that make us?

That's something to be worked on BIG time, for sure, if there's real intent to get more electric-y without as much Musky products. Same as above.

We're not worried about China rolling over the Rockeys in Type 99 tanks but they set up police stations in our cities, harass and intimidate our citizens, and we even have members of parliament comfortable enough to make jokes about handing Canadian citizens over to their regime.

Agree with those saying WTF? to this, too.

China is atleast as much as threat to our sovereignty as the US. More IMO.

Agreed - it's just that the US is more of a threat than it has been in the past, which is part of what draws the eye/ear more.

 

[ModlrMike]

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[MilEME09]

Well now...score 1 Carney

https://twitter.com/x/status/1919802220737900821

 

[Jarnhamar]

Well now...score 1 Carney

Not Canada?

 

[Remius]

Well now...score 1 Carney

https://twitter.com/x/status/1919802220737900821

Exactly what we should be doing going forward. Expand and diversify to adapt to the new reality

 

[MilEME09]

Not Canada?

Both, but I see this as a positive result of Carneys leadership

 

[lenaitch]

Now you think it's more prudent to shirk the US and seek more alignment with the Euros? Right, have fun with that one.

It's not just us. They don't want our cars, or steel, or aluminum, or lumber. Your hero said so again today. With statements like that, why wouldn't we seek out new markets.

 

[YZT580]

Both, but I see this as a positive result of Carneys leadership

You certainly do enjoy the koolaid. Carney didn't do a damn thing. The sales people from every affected industry have been frantically going through their rolodexes calling all the purchasing agents around the world trying to make sales. Obviously they have been successful so far and that is good but it is also to be expected. we have great resources, reasonably priced and mostly free from bribes and extortion. If you want to congratulate anyone, send an Email to Trump. Industries world-wide are looking for alternatives to America.

 

[MilEME09]

You certainly do enjoy the koolaid. Carney didn't do a damn thing. The sales people from every affected industry have been frantically going through their rolodexes calling all the purchasing agents around the world trying to make sales. Obviously they have been successful so far and that is good but it is also to be expected. we have great resources, reasonably priced and mostly free from bribes and extortion. If you want to congratulate anyone, send an Email to Trump. Industries world-wide are looking for alternatives to America.

So delaying counter tariffs so Canadian companies can find alternatives is nothing? The Duties relief program, and Duties drawback program are nothing? Deferring Corporate income tax payments is nothing? More funding to regional development agencies to help small and medium businesses find those new markets is nothing? There's no cool aid here, a win is a win because that's exactly what this is for the government. Yes there was a lot of hard work in board rooms, aided by the GoC making it easier, especially for small and medium businesses that don't have their own resources to do this.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Habemus interim ducem!

Poilievre pledges to listen after election loss, Scheer tapped to represent caucus in interim

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is promising to listen and learn from his 2025 federal election loss, as his caucus opts once again to empower themselves to have the ability to remove their leader.

www.cp24.com

Conservatives choose Andrew Scheer as interim Opposition leader in Parliament

OTTAWA — The Conservative caucus has tapped former leader Andrew Scheer to lead the party in the House of Commons when Parliament resumes on May 26 — a role that's needed because Pierre Poilievre lost his seat in last week's election.

www.burnabynow.com

 

[Halifax Tar]

Habemus interim ducem!

Poilievre pledges to listen after election loss, Scheer tapped to represent caucus in interim

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is promising to listen and learn from his 2025 federal election loss, as his caucus opts once again to empower themselves to have the ability to remove their leader.

www.cp24.com

Conservatives choose Andrew Scheer as interim Opposition leader in Parliament

OTTAWA — The Conservative caucus has tapped former leader Andrew Scheer to lead the party in the House of Commons when Parliament resumes on May 26 — a role that's needed because Pierre Poilievre lost his seat in last week's election.

www.burnabynow.com

I will be interested to see if he ditches The Jenny
And if he can pivot and have that recognized by the Canadian people.

Scheer is just a caretaker and he's a solid experienced parliamentarian ste for the job.

 

[The Bread Guy]

I will be interested to see if he ditches The Jenny
And if he can pivot and have that recognized by the Canadian people.

Those would both point to a desire to shift away from "nothing but attack dog" mode - we'll see.

Scheer is just a caretaker and he's a solid experienced parliamentarian ste for the job.

Agreed.

 

[Lumber]

So delaying counter tariffs so Canadian companies can find alternatives is nothing? The Duties relief program, and Duties drawback program are nothing? Deferring Corporate income tax payments is nothing? More funding to regional development agencies to help small and medium businesses find those new markets is nothing? There's no cool aid here, a win is a win because that's exactly what this is for the government. Yes there was a lot of hard work in board rooms, aided by the GoC making it easier, especially for small and medium businesses that don't have their own resources to do this.

Dont forget, amongst those who suffer TDS, a loss is the Liberals fault and a win is not the Liberals win.

 

[YZT580]

So delaying counter tariffs so Canadian companies can find alternatives is nothing? The Duties relief program, and Duties drawback program are nothing? Deferring Corporate income tax payments is nothing? More funding to regional development agencies to help small and medium businesses find those new markets is nothing? There's no cool aid here, a win is a win because that's exactly what this is for the government. Yes there was a lot of hard work in board rooms, aided by the GoC making it easier, especially for small and medium businesses that don't have their own resources to do this.

not really. Delaying a payment for 60 days does little to help a corporate bottom line. the Trade commission was set up 3 or 4 years ago and is no longer taking applications for many of its services. The Development Bank appears to cover many of the issues that you are crediting to the Feds and most of the programmes to which you refer were set up years ago. they have simply been topped up a bit which is good. Carney has certainly made sure that people could see that Ottawa was working hard but that is a public relations success. The credit should go to the Trudeau era government who set up most of the programmes in the first place. Carney has yet to provide long-term help such as a cut in the business tax rate