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Well, productivity comes to mind.....so does automation....
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We could use some shrinkage.
Economy is still growing, albeit slowly.
Mark Carney is healing us, it just takes time. Trudeaus faithful went to ground and are dug in deep, it's going to take some precision to remove them.
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The real constraint is composition and productivity, not just headcounts.
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Slow moving metrics compared to headcounts.
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We certainly can.
On a whole, yes.
Eh. Everything works in cycles. Trudeau was needed for when he was needed, until he wasn't. Then the country needed a Progressive conservative and the LPC gave us that in Carney and here we are. I'm sure there will come a time when we need a NDP lite PM again.
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Certainly. But these are much slower moving things in the background compared to going from one of the fastest growing nations on earth to actively shrinking over the course of a year and a half.
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89% of the reason Trudeau got elected was because of picture of a dead boy on a beach.
If Canada needed Trudeau results were lack luster. Trudeau did pause Harpers Bill C-30 Lawful Access / Internet surveillance bill. Ironically he cheerfully violated Canadians rights, and now paved the way for some other concerning Bills.
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Just a weird observation about polls, and this is me talking about polls (I will bring up Ontario polling, even though this is Federal political thread)
Doug Ford was slipping down in the polls and the Ontario Liberals (with no leader) were increasing (and with rumours of Nate Erskine-Smith it seemed they were going up), however since Navdeep Bains (Former federal Liberal MP) has announced his intention to run as Ontario Liberal leader, they are dropping in the polls again (The guy is so crooked), and Dougie is raising again.
These polls can change very quickly as Nik Nanos has stated. And watch for long term sliding up-down trends. Trudeau didn't drop in the polls all at once.
Doug Ford was slipping down in the polls and the Ontario Liberals (with no leader) were increasing (and with rumours of Nate Erskine-Smith it seemed they were going up), however since Navdeep Bains (Former federal Liberal MP) has announced his intention to run as Ontario Liberal leader, they are dropping in the polls again (The guy is so crooked), and Dougie is raising again.
These polls can change very quickly as Nik Nanos has stated. And watch for long term sliding up-down trends. Trudeau didn't drop in the polls all at once.
I guess I am a little thick but I thought that as a country we were growing just fine 10 years ago when there were about 10 million fewer of us. I fail to see where adding half a million more residents all queuing up for the same positions is going to add anything to the GDP. I always thought that GDP was influenced by jobs and business output. Altair, your statement suggests that GDP is based upon the more people that work where my thoughts would base it upon the more that people work.
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Trudeau got elected on a youth movement.
CCB, legal weed, electoral reform, this pushed young people to the LPC in droves. The alternatives were decriminalization of weed, tax credits for kids, and no electoral reform.
Now electoral reform never happened, but ask any parent if they would want tbeir CCB taken away and you would have a riot. Ask people if they want weed illegal again, same riot.
People poo poo Trudeau all the time but his legacy will live on in some form or another.
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Both are true.
More productivity means more GDP.
More people also means more GDP.
But productivity gains is not a quick process. Opening the doors to immigration is very quick. Trudeau, urged on by big business who love low income wage slaves, opened the spigot way too much, which boosted GDP but threw multiple other sectors out of balance.
Trudeau did make the changes in late 2024 to address it, which we are seeing now, but less people does mean downward pressure on GDP simply due to there being less people around to boost demand and work certain jobs which boosts production of good and services.
Meanwhile a productivity gain might bear fruit in 2 years, 5 years, 10 years. And even then, it's weighted against other nations. Sure, a canadian company might be 25 percent more productive, but if Europe is also 25 percent more productive, it's a wash. If the USA is 27 percent more productive, youre actually falling behind.
So yeah, it's both, but the quick and easy way to boost gdp is just open the door to immigrants. That has its own downsides when not properly managed as trudeau and the rest of us found out.
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At least we're still ahead of Mexico and Luxembourg 
From 2014 to 2024, Canada’s real GDP per capita adjusted for purchasing power parity grew by just 3.2 percent in total, an anemic 0.4 percent per year on average, and the third lowest among 38 advanced nations. Over the same period, the United States posted 20.2 percent total growth (1.9 percent annually), and the OECD average reached 15.3 percent (1.4 percent annually). The measurement shortcomings cannot explain five-to six-fold differences in growth rates.
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Why Canada’s GDP per capita crisis is real: DeepDive
From 2014 to 2024, Canada’s real GDP per capita adjusted for purchasing power parity grew by just 3.2 percent in total, an anemic 0.4 percent per year on average, and the third lowest among 38 advanced nations. Over the same period, the United States posted 20.2 percent total growth (1.9 percent annually), and the OECD average reached 15.3 percent (1.4 percent annually). The measurement shortcomings cannot explain five-to six-fold differences in growth rates.
Why Canada’s GDP per capita crisis is real: DeepDive
Canada's economic performance is slipping fast. We've fallen to 38th place in GDP per capita while our productivity crisis deepens. Here's what the data reveals.
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The dumbest statistic continues to be the dumbest statistic no matter how many times you post it.At least we're still ahead of Mexico and Luxembourg
Why Canada’s GDP per capita crisis is real: DeepDive
From 2014 to 2024, Canada’s real GDP per capita adjusted for purchasing power parity grew by just 3.2 percent in total, an anemic 0.4 percent per year on average, and the third lowest among 38 advanced nations. Over the same period, the United States posted 20.2 percent total growth (1.9 percent annually), and the OECD average reached 15.3 percent (1.4 percent annually). The measurement shortcomings cannot explain five-to six-fold differences in growth rates.
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Why Canada’s GDP per capita crisis is real: DeepDive
Canada's economic performance is slipping fast. We've fallen to 38th place in GDP per capita while our productivity crisis deepens. Here's what the data reveals.
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More proof, if needed, that we're in the hurt locker and heading in the wrong direction ...
Business sector productivity fell by 0.5% over the first three months of the year, Statistics Canada reported on Wednesday. That follows a 0.3% decline in the fourth quarter, which was steeper than the 0.1% decrease previously reported by the federal agency.
Falling productivity has weighed on Canada’s growth. Real gross domestic product has contracted for two straight quarters, though many economists say the decline is not steep or broad enough yet to meet the definition of a recession.
A new report from TD Economics warns that Canada is losing its highest-skilled workers, entrepreneurs, and STEM graduates to the United States through a slow, largely invisible syphoning—calling the phenomenon a “silent brain drain.” The crisis, it argues, is less about who Canada can attract than who it fails to keep.
Much of the outflow never registers in Statistics Canada’s emigration data because it occurs through U.S. employer-sponsored work visas—temporary and semi-permanent pathways that conventional brain drain metrics simply don’t capture. Of the partial data Statistics Canada was able to retrieve, the agency determined that, in 2023, 18,590 Canadian residents emigrated to the U.S. permanently, with 30 percent of those people not being born in Canada.
Despite net migration to the U.S. lowering in recent years, the trend of top talent—which helps drive GDP growth—leaving Canada has not.
“Canada is not hollowing out; it is spilling out at the top,” the TD report states. “Absent progress on this front, Canada will continue to be a feeder system for the U.S. innovation economy.”
Canada’s top-skilled workers are leaving for the U.S. in droves for lower taxes and higher pay: TD study
Canada labour productivity falls as construction, agriculture lag behind
Canada’s labour productivity declined for a second consecutive quarter as hours worked increased while output declined.Business sector productivity fell by 0.5% over the first three months of the year, Statistics Canada reported on Wednesday. That follows a 0.3% decline in the fourth quarter, which was steeper than the 0.1% decrease previously reported by the federal agency.
Falling productivity has weighed on Canada’s growth. Real gross domestic product has contracted for two straight quarters, though many economists say the decline is not steep or broad enough yet to meet the definition of a recession.
Canada’s top-skilled workers are leaving for the U.S. in droves for lower taxes and higher pay: TD study
A new report from TD Economics warns that Canada is losing its highest-skilled workers, entrepreneurs, and STEM graduates to the United States through a slow, largely invisible syphoning—calling the phenomenon a “silent brain drain.” The crisis, it argues, is less about who Canada can attract than who it fails to keep.
Much of the outflow never registers in Statistics Canada’s emigration data because it occurs through U.S. employer-sponsored work visas—temporary and semi-permanent pathways that conventional brain drain metrics simply don’t capture. Of the partial data Statistics Canada was able to retrieve, the agency determined that, in 2023, 18,590 Canadian residents emigrated to the U.S. permanently, with 30 percent of those people not being born in Canada.
Despite net migration to the U.S. lowering in recent years, the trend of top talent—which helps drive GDP growth—leaving Canada has not.
“Canada is not hollowing out; it is spilling out at the top,” the TD report states. “Absent progress on this front, Canada will continue to be a feeder system for the U.S. innovation economy.”
Canada’s top-skilled workers are leaving for the U.S. in droves for lower taxes and higher pay: TD study
More people mean more economic activity. All will consume, meaning all are spending directly or indirectly on consumer goods, housing, services etc. Most will be employed in some capacity and so will have wages paid out for whatever their labour is. GDP is basically just a measure of total end user economic activity (I’m over simplifying of course). More people means more economic activity, and so more GDP.
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It always amazes me who we can all look at the very same picture and come away with so many different interpretations of it.
On a different note...
He lost me on electoral reform and then seemed to attack my way of life for the next decade after that. Electoral reform was a major blunder IMHO. And really Trudeau remained in power for a decade because since Harper no alternative from the CPC has been found. And this trend continues for the CPC. And the LPC also now have the assistance of the grand Cheeto south of the border.
On a different note...
He lost me on electoral reform and then seemed to attack my way of life for the next decade after that. Electoral reform was a major blunder IMHO. And really Trudeau remained in power for a decade because since Harper no alternative from the CPC has been found. And this trend continues for the CPC. And the LPC also now have the assistance of the grand Cheeto south of the border.
Trudeau was never needed. But back to the main discussion point. In 2025 we accepted 482503 legal immigrants. We also accepted 393,750 temporary workers of which around 60,000 were for agriculture. So what group of people has left? There are many suggesting that it is the top of the food chain; the 1% wage earners and the professionals and there must be a lot of them to exceed 800000 coming in.
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My CCB checks and people who smoke legal marijuana say otherwise.
Permanent resident targets were lowered from 500,000 to 380,000.
Temporary foreign worker numbers went from 390k to 208k.
Interaction student numbers dropped from 293k to 115k.
The international student population in canada dropped from 1m to 700k.
Overall, we stopped bringing in many many many people and now we are actively shrinking and will continue to do so. Women have 1.3 kids per woman, that's nowhere near replacement. As more and more people leave and less and less immigrants come in we will start to sink like a stone in terms of population numbers.
Yeah, this is not true.
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Increased psychosis with teens. Housing affordability. Large-scale deficit spending and national debt increase. Immigration pressure and integration strain. Electoral reform failure. Western alienation and national unity strain. Public service strain and ridiculous consultancy. Job, sporting and property loss wiIth firearms. Foreign interference.
Lots of poo.
I agree CCB is nice though.
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Good trade ?
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